Festive Fatalities: A Sinister South Christmas Special

Well Trevors... we've made it to the end of season 1, and so just for you, we've done a "selection box" of murder from South London. Turns out, we have ZERO CHILL when it comes to festive crime, and while we thought we'd find a couple of tales about santa claus robbing a shopping centre etc... we just found more death and destruction! 

So get cosy with your mulled wine, and settle down to hear 5 cases which took place over the Christmas period in South London from Christmas Eve to Boxing Day. 

We're then having two weeks off and will be back with a BIGGIE in the new year! 

Also...since we recorded the episode, the youth in the Kacey Clark case has been jailed for 6 and a half years for her murder. 

Sources for this episode include: 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgxw1w7p48o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cljygg2lg0ro
https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/bermondsey/kacey-clarke-teenager-jailed-for-fatally-stabbing-woman-on-christmas-eve-in-bermondsey/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bermondsey-london-police-old-bailey-cctv-b2639772.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60432206
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59741334
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10502989/Hitman-24-dressed-litter-picker-GUILTY-Beqiri-murder.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/drunk-driver-jailed-lillie-clack-charlie-hilton-carshalton-met-police-b1059462.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lillie-clack-drink-driving-licences-b2415217.html
https://www.roadpeace.org/bereaved-mum-warns-of-the-devasting-impact-of-drink-driving/
https://archive.voice-online.co.uk/article/two-south-london-men-jailed-christmas-attack
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719155/Thugs-jailed-stabbing-man-11-times-children-Christmas-Day-row-festive-party.html
https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/14564713.mottingham-man-chris-fruen-guilty-of-manslaughter-after-stabbing-patrick-mulroe-to-death-on-boxing-day/
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-stabbed-to-death-on-boxing-day-in-south-london-a3144721.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35182226

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Transcript

Christmas Episode - Season 1 Finale-001

Hello. Hi. I'm Rachel.

I'm Hannah. And this is the Sinister South Podcast, a podcast all about true crime and sinister scenarios in the south of London. Love sinister scenarios.

There we go. Don't you make it into some kind of reel that we have to be responsible for? Yeah, I didn't do the episode of Sinister Shorts last week. But anyway, I'm also very impressed with us and are being able to say words at the same time.

And the reason we've done that, Trevor's, is because we're doing things a little bit different because it's Christmas. Merry Christmas, everyone. I was going to start launching into last Christmas, but then I might upset a lot of people who are obsessed with where am I going? I am obsessed.

It's my game. I love it. I failed miserably because I was on a call with my mother and she was listening to BBC Radio 2. Nice.

And they played it and it was over the speakers as we were on this call. So I think I got out on about day three this year. I'm fully in Wamahala.

But yes, I just feel like it steals a bit of joy. It's such a great song. Why would you then want to, it's not like, oh, don't worry, I'll listen to it loads in June.

No, but you can listen to it loads on Christmas day. It's just the run up to. So we don't listen to it in the whole event.

No, we just would get to Christmas day. And then that's the only song we will listen to. Yeah.

We just like properly wham it out. Do you know what? We all have our foibles and I have many. And that is just one of them.

Wham and key chains. I wouldn't have said it. I wouldn't know it to be true.

You do. You do indeed. You do indeed.

But yeah, because it is Christmas, we are back to both telling you some stories today. Yeah, we're going to I think it's like a high day and holidays thing. We did it for Halloween and we both really enjoyed doing it.

So we did it for Christmas. Yeah. And then other holiday holidays across the year.

Valentine's Day. My birthday. That's a public holiday.

That is a public holiday. It should be anyway. Actually might be Easter this year.

It normally is around Easter. Oh, it could be actually. Interesting.

But yes, so we are both going to be telling some stories. They are what I'm liking to call festive fatalities because I love a bit of alliteration. But yeah, but I thought before we crack on one, I'm going to ask you how are you doing? Oh, wow.

I know. God, I'm on a roll with it. I'm never ever forget.

But yeah, how are you doing? I'm really good. I'm really good. I have made some decisions about New Year plans, mainly that, you know, some there are some changes I want to make professionally.

Okay. And it's quite nice to have settled on decision about it and not be still kind of mulling things over or trying to change my mind or whatever. So yeah, that's good.

Positive. And yeah, just kind of everyone seems to be in quite a good place. Kind of nicely ticking along.

I've had some good weekends recently as well. Nice things happening. Well, that is lovely to hear.

Yeah, I'm very happy. I'm trying to kind of dramatically change my attitude and maybe try and find some gratitude. And I've started slam poetry.

Yeah, so I've decided 35 years of being an ungrateful brat. Let's change that in three weeks and call it a new way of life. Nice.

I love it. I love that for you. I honestly, and this is going to sound fucking insane.

Okay. But I genuinely think this change of attitude is all down to mouth taping. Oh, have you started doing that now? Rachel, I'm obsessed.

I am obsessed. Isn't it just like, because when you told me about it to start with, I was a bit like, should we explain to the I put a blindfold on and now I put gaffer tape over my mouth. That's what I was going to say.

It just sounds like you're living out some sort of weird kidnap fantasy. And I mean, do you know what, babe, you do you apparently for me, very relaxing. I don't know.

I've heard other people talk about it and say like, the sleep is just in a different realm. And it's true. Does it not feel really claustrophobic? That's right.

The first, first time I did it that first night, it took me like five minutes to be like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm going to check on that.

I can't breathe. And then just realized, well, you breathing, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. But because personally, I struggle.

I can't go into like a steam room or things like that because I get so like, so actually having something over my mouth. I feel like I would probably just be like, no. But I honestly, the improvement in sleep.

I suppose that it is all like I take the mic, but it is all kind of connected, isn't it? Yeah. I'm having, I think, really good quality sleep. So I'm not sleeping maybe as long as I could or should or would or whatever.

But the sleep I'm getting is better. Oh, that's cool. And hence I'm waking up feeling like I'm actually pretty privileged and should shut the fuck up.

Well, do you know what? I think that you I don't think that you have been selfish brat for 35 years. I think that there is there is some gratitude in that. I have seen it personally.

And that's why I prefer you to my mother. No. Joking mum.

I'm joking. I love you. Let's just wait until after I got my Christmas presents.

I was going to say bad, bad, bad, bad move. I don't mean shit anyway. I wanted 12 more.

No, I'm joking. Yeah. So all in all, I'm mouth taping and it's changing my life.

Nice. There we go. That's how I am.

I think. Anything else to report? I don't think so. Just.

Yeah, just just being nice existing in a more positive space. I like that. I'm very happy for you.

Yes. It's a Christmas miracle. I must say my only other kind of piece of info.

Whoa. What's happening? I don't know. I broke that.

I think my only other piece of information to give to you all is that the aforementioned wreath making that we did, which was brilliant because I am the most intelligent woman in the world. I hung my wreath on my door during the storm. I literally struggled to hang it because of the wind.

And at no point did I think I could just keep it inside for a couple of days until the storm has passed and then put it on my door and have a lovely time. No. It fell off the door and it certainly doesn't look like it did.

Fair. But it still exists. She's just a bit beaten and weathered.

Because Richard and I are both the same person in terms of what our brains just choose to ignore or just blank out. It's not turning a blind eye. I don't think either of us consciously do it.

The wreath fell off. Instead of one of us bringing it inside or anything like that, it slipped over. We have both just been propping it up on the wall next to the door.

So it looks like someone died there. It looks like a very sombre tribute to someone that died at my front door. And I will tell you, Postman's been looking at me differently.

It does feel very much like I've given out a try and cross my threshold, I'll cut you vibe. I think I might get some bunches of flowers in plastic and some cards. Rest in peace, Posty.

You deliver on time. What you should do is do that for the dickhead Amazon driver who left your parcel balanced on the fence in the middle of the storm. I mean, to be fair, it was there, was it? Oh, nice.

That is good. Yeah. Although it's only been working with the Postman because the other day I was on the phone to actually to my mother and chatted away.

Doorbell rang. And it was the TV licensed man. Oh, God, again.

Don't I have such beef. I've just decided I'm going to prison about this now. I don't care.

Suck your mum. I don't care anymore. Come for me.

What? I've got nothing left. I have nothing left in the tank to argue with these people. They cancelled my direct debit.

Oh, my God. They can't tell me why, although they have admitted to it right in email. Right.

But it was an action from their side. Right. Well, OK.

Well, you just need to do. I don't need to do anything. You cancelled it.

Obviously, you don't need my money. It's your fuck up, mate. You fix it.

I'm your mum. But said that knock at the door. Yeah.

Anyway, sat down talking to mum again. Fucking doorbell goes. Right.

Oh, I'm your community fiber agent for the area. Can I talk to you about broadband? No. Goodbye.

I sat back down fucking doorbell when I went again. I was like, no, I'm not getting it. Mum was like, what if it's important? I was like, I don't care.

The Amazon man will throw it over the fence. It's fine. And if it's Richard that's forgot his keys, he'll bang on the windows to get the shit out of me at some point.

Yeah. But I genuinely feel like every kind of door knocking service. Yeah.

Got a mini bus to my postcode. And we're taking it in terms to get off the bus ring. The doorbell have a chat with me.

Get back on the bus. As if they'd like consolidated. Right.

We know she's in a good headspace at the moment. Let's all fucking go now. Quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick.

Oh, my God. No one comes to my house. It is very in the floral tribute to the murder victim.

And then we're like, maybe she wants a chat. No. Just trying to be good Samaritans.

So there we go. There's everything. I love it on my mind.

I love it. How are you? I am feeling very similar, actually. I'm just looking forward to yeah, I'm looking forward to downing tools.

Yes. For a little bit. I will probably get to about day three of downing tools and then decide to.

Where are my tools? And it will mainly be like, oh, God, this is what parenting 24 seven is like. Bringing school. Are you sure you don't want to open? Honestly, like I can pay you.

And again, I need to reiterate because it is the festive time of year. I do love my children. Although, yeah, I am.

It has been it's been fun because we've had all of the Christmas stuff that's been going on. So we've had we had school jumper day or Christmas jumper day with their Christmas dinner. And big one was very excited to explain to me that they get, you know, those things, the things with the light and they go bang.

And do you mean crackers? Yeah, they had crackers. She was so excited. She forgot.

I have a bone to pick with that one. Really? Well, a very lovely festive wreath making. All right.

Yeah, I there was a period of time that we were there that the other cousins hadn't arrived yet. And she was kind of walking around being bored. And I want my cousins to arrive.

So I said, well, sit next to it. Let's, you know, talk to me. Chat to me.

Okay, chat in for a while. And then I said, should we take a selfie? She said, okay. So I was doing it and she went, you could pull a better face.

And I looked at her in the eyes and I said, if you fucking perceive me again, you perceive me. Oh, my God. I immediately.

What a little. She was right. And the quality of the selfie was dramatically improved with her input.

So well, it was also that day that after I dropped you at the train station, I came back and I was like helped tidy up from the festive wreath making. And then I went to go upstairs and say, right, we've got to go home now because your sister has been violently unwell and is at home waiting for us. And she legitimately just shut the door in my face.

Just like I didn't hear you. So yeah, that's that's fun. But yeah, she got so excited by by crackers that she forgot the name of them.

And also was very excited about the fact that like normally they only have milk or water. Yes. They got squash.

But do you remember that from our school time? No. You must have done it. No, I remember having school dinner.

I don't remember it like school Christmas dinner. I was having squash. And then what was his name? The I.T. one.

No, I'm just being Frank girls. Who's Frank, sir? Mr. Goliath. Mr. Goliath.

I don't think I knew him. He played the guitar. No, that maybe that was after my time.

But yeah, no, we used to have there were crackers and Christmas dinner and squash. Very important. I think you could also have orange or purple.

And Mr. Goliath would come down with his guitar and he sang an acoustic version of Hit Me Baby one more time. And can you imagine the shits that were lost in that dining hall? I can. I can imagine that.

Oh, my God. Yeah, no, I don't remember. I don't remember Mr. Goliath.

No, I remember. I've got a three inch floppy disk. Bet you have, sir.

Oh, we would we terrorized that man. I remember Mr. Kasumo. Oh, yeah.

Because who wouldn't? I remember Mr. Thunder. Obviously, that's maths. Yeah, that was maths.

I remember Mr. Thunder. I mean, I don't know if I should say this. I mean, he's dead.

Well, what's going to happen? My mum. Years ago, my mum had to come into the school to have a meeting with him in the headmistress to remind them both that Mr. Thunder was not my granddad. And that she thought the relationship that we had was inappropriate.

Oh, my God. I also remember the story about someone that we both know licking his ear. Yes.

Remember that. And I mean, it worked out for us. You got a great grade.

Yeah. And maybe that'll make it on the upper cost. We shall see.

It's as if she's had a drink. Completely sober. Yeah.

So I've had all of that. And then they had their school Christmas disco. And then we've had Nativity, the Twinkly Nativity, which was more ones and some Christmas carols.

So I'm feeling very festive. Nice. And as much as it has been a bit of a whirlwind of, oh, fuck, where have we got to be? How much money have I got to bring? Why do you need a Tupperware pot? Well, it has been quite nice.

I'm looking forward to giving them their presents. I bet. That's my favourite thing.

I bet. That must be lovely. It is lovely.

Apart from when you get the occasional one that we have had once before, from the small one who would have thought it, where you hand them the gift that you have spent ages like finding and you know it's perfect for them. And then they open it and they go, oh, and then put it down and continue to pick up the stickers that cost 50 pence. And we just want to play with that rather than the thing that you've invested loads of emotional toil in.

There we go. It's quite because there's no young kids in our family anymore. So's mum.

And it'll stay that way. So one of the others pulls their finger out. I do not blame you.

This year I kind of made an effort. I mean, I'm such a spoiled brat. But normally I'm like, what do you want for Christmas? And I'll say, I don't know, just money.

Like, whatever. Yeah. And kind of and that, you know, it's very generous, but it ends in that's what you get, right? This year I've been quite considered about, I really want a dressing gown and I really want this and I really want that.

And it's actually quite nice to think, oh, I'm going to open something lovely. There's actually nice things there. Oh, nice.

I have had Will constantly going, what do you want for Christmas? And I go, I wrote a list. And he said, you wrote a list that had about six things on and your family is massive. So none of those things are available.

So what do you want? And then every time I say, oh, I quite like that. It goes. So I have Christmas is this.

Well, this is the thing. I say all of this every single year. I tell Will that his list is uninspiring.

I think he needs to do better. It's like, it's really hard. I get it.

Christmas and like you're given presents and there are things that like that other person wants and likes and needs. But like, it's really hard when someone goes, what would your husband like for Christmas? And you go, oh, he'd actually like a GM 6572412 graphics card, actually. What? Like, I mean, I would love it if that is actually a number.

Right. My mum asked what Richard would want. So I asked him.

Yeah. And he was like, oh, oh, I don't know. And he got all right.

He was really flattered that there was a budget for him or whatever. And he was like, oh, I don't know. And I have to have the thing.

And I went, he was like, well, what kind of things should I ask for? Are there any gigs coming up that you know you want tickets for that she could buy the tickets for or something like that? And he went, would I then have to take you? Yes, I would. I fucking would if I were you. I feel like yes might be the correct answer there.

Well, that's more of a prison for both of us than not me. To be fair, I remember giving world tickets to a gig before and buying two tickets. And he was like, oh, does this mean you're coming with me? Because it's in Birmingham.

We can go and stay with your friends who you used to live with when you were there. And I was like, no, no, I'm going to give. We're going to give the other present.

We're going to give the other ticket to one of your friends who also likes this band. And you can just come to Birmingham with me. I'm not going to that gig.

I don't want to go. Thank you. Yeah.

So that's how Sam from the Fox ended up in my Birmingham house because I did not want to go and see very, very diplomatic explanation of who Sam is. Just like it's Christmas. We're letting all the cats out of all the bags.

The other thing I thought we'd do is talk about we've intimated in previous episodes about having some feedback from people that was not very nice. So now I thought we could maybe talk about some of the feedback that we've had that is very nice. Yes, because it's Christmas.

And because we love our Trevors, but we're both incredibly British and very, very uncomfortable about this. Incredibly so. But we feel we owe it.

We owe it to you, Trevors, for all the support you've given us this year, because it's been quite a lot and it's quite nice, really. It's lovely. And it does.

I know that people might think, oh, like you're just blowing smoke up someone's ass or whatever. But there have been times, especially in the last few months for me, where my mental health has been in the toilet. My life's felt very overwhelming.

And unfortunately, at the moment, we don't get paid to do this. No. So it would have been the thing that would have had to fall by the wayside or one week.

I didn't write anything, did I? So it literally did have to be the thing that was sacrificed. And I can tell you now, when you get that Insta DM or that email, or you see a review come through, it does give you something back into added some magic back into it for me. Not that I'd lost magic, but I love doing this and I still want it, even when it was overwhelming, it wasn't this that was overwhelming me.

It was just the one thing that had to give, right? Yeah, exactly. But it does make you really dedicated to continuing and getting feedback that some of you enjoy this is, I mean, one, you're all as mad as we are. But two, it's lovely and it really does bolster the drive to do it.

It does. And like, yeah, again, just seconding that without it getting too much into a love fest, you're 100% right. It is when you see a little message, the amount of times that one of us will see something and then it's instantly like WhatsApp-ing the other one going, have you seen it? Oh my God.

I mean, we both lost our absolute minds when we were included in a few people's Spotify route. That is mental. I felt like Bon Jovi.

I know. I don't know why I chose Bon Jovi. I mean, fair enough, mate.

Fair enough. But it was insane to kind of be like, oh my God. Jesus Christ.

How have you listened to that amount of us wittering that we're on your Spotify route? But yeah, so thank you, Travis. We do love you and appreciate you. And hopefully in the new year, there'll be a bit more for you that we can kind of do.

Well, finally, before we actually get into doing something that we're meant to, I have a feedback and fuck-ups to do. Oh, you do. Now, do you want to do this now or do you want to do an official feedback and fuck-ups? Good point.

I'll do an official one. Do an official one. We'll do it at the end.

Cool. So getting into the cases and stop chatting, wittering away. Because it is Christmas, you lovely lot, we have decided that this episode, the final one for season one, and to close out the year, we are going to give you a selection box of crime, death and destruction, because why not? So originally, this was, I kind of thought, right, we'll find some nice little crimes.

We'll do some fun things. There'll be some fun stuff. Someone doing a victimless crime with a Father Christmas hat on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or something to do with like a load of drugs that we could tenuously link to snow or something of that ilk. But apparently it turns out that in South London, we take our crime seriously.

Oh yeah. There will be no frivolity. No.

No gaiety. It will just be pure, unadulterated carnage. Yeah.

So we couldn't find anything nice and fluffy, which was upsetting, to say the least. So instead, where we've kind of realised that South London has absolutely no Christmas cheer, we are going to instead give you some festive fatalities. That's it.

We're going to stay on brand. So grab a mulled wine, settle in and let's explore a few holiday tales with a twist. I fucking love mulled wine.

I know you do. I know you do. So I think it's me first.

It is. And we're going to Christmas Eve. So Christmas Eve, 2023 in Bermondsey, South London.

22-year-old Casey Clark was celebrating the season in her flat with someone who was described as a friend, but with whom she also had a tense relationship. Was a 16-year-old boy who cannot be named due to his age. Both had spent the evening partying, drinking and inhaling nitrous oxide, aka laughing gas.

For Casey, the balloons were a fun part of the festivities and she had texted a relative brushing off their concerns that this had recently been classified as a controlled substance by saying, don't be boring, it's Christmas. Casey was described by other family members as buzzing like nothing on the evening of her death. Just to say that a few years back, if you'd gone to a certain area in Magaluf, you would have seen my name on a leaderboard for being able to do the most balloons in a set amount of time.

Oh my god. I'm not proud, but I am proud. Do you know the only time I ever tried to do it? Like, I just did it all wrong and it just put me off.

I was just like, no. Well, apparently, I don't know how to inhale. So you do struggle to breathe.

I do struggle to breathe a lot. As the night wore on, it said that tensions began to rise between Casey and the boy. CCTV footage later showed him threatening to ching her up, which is apparently slang for stabbing and saying he would kill her.

Things came to her head when Casey and the boy came to blows over a missing set of keys that belonged to Casey. The boy stated that Casey had smashed a lamp and thrown something at him which had hit him on the side of the face when she could not find her keys. He went on to explain that a fight had occurred between the two with Casey grabbing his hair.

During the subsequent investigation, clumps of his hair that had appeared to have been ripped from the scalp were recovered from the scene alongside a broken lamp and picture frame which were found on the floor of the living room as well as a bag of clothes that belonged to the victim and two large 640 gram nitrous oxide canisters. That sounds like a lot. Yeah, 640 grams.

I don't know. I'm rubbish at quantities. I mean, we've already been through this under the thing about like how many, tell me an elephant.

How many elephants is this? So, yeah, but no, it just sounds like a lot. Prosecutor Jane Osborne Casey said that the boy had simply lost his temper with mother of one Casey. Whereas the boy's defence stated that he had acted in self defence after he claims Casey burst into the living room again holding a knife.

Right. The boy is said to have then picked up a blade and waved it to create an invisible shield. He said that he had no recollection of making contact with Casey and thought she was lying when she had said she'd been stabbed.

Police and paramedics were called just after 10pm and found Casey Clark lying on the kitchen floor of her flat with a single stab wound to the chest. The accused boy was arrested nearby about 45 minutes after Casey was found. He had been wearing croc shoes.

I don't know why I said it like that. He'd just been wearing crocs. Fair enough.

And blood was found on his toe along with numerous canisters of nitrous oxide which were found in his bedroom. The knife was said, the knife used in the attack was found in a railway arch by a Thames water workman on the 17th January 2024. During investigations it was found that the boy had a history of possessing knives having been caught with a 25cm long Rambo style blade in an ice cream shop and a lock knife in his waistband in a residential area.

He had around 25 offences between April 22 and September 23 and was subject to an electronically monitored tag at the time of Casey's death. That's mad. His criminal history was mainly full of theft handling stolen goods and other petty offences including an incident from April 23 when he snatched a mobile phone from a woman who was injured when they both fell over.

The jury at the Old Bailey deliberated for 13 hours and 23 minutes before finding the boy guilty of manslaughter. The boy flashed a smile at family members from the dock as he was cleared of the more serious charge of murder. Judge Simon Mayo Casey ordered pre-sentence reports and said he would sentence the boy at a later date.

He was remanded into custody and is currently awaiting a sentence. Wow. Manslaughter.

I suppose, are they... I reckon it's because he's saying he had no recollection of actually stabbing her. It's not a... If there's some sort of like... And there's no way to prove the self-defence thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I find that it's definitely something we'll come to. I think more and more the difference between murder and manslaughter. It's... Yeah.

It's really interesting. So I think it'll probably... Wouldn't be surprised if it makes an appearance in a very... In one of my next episodes. Like if the case fits.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably bar it in. I'm just gonna... This has nothing to do with this crime.

I'm just gonna talk about this right now. Because I think it's really interesting. And so you will too.

Which to be fair, I think is probably true. Oh, interesting. There we go.

Well, it's my turn now and we are sticking with Christmas Eve. But this time we're going back to 2019 and we're heading to Battersea where 36 year old Flama Alex Bakiri was returning home with his wife, Deborah Krasniki. Sorry, and their two year old son.

For most, it would have been a quiet return to settle in and wait for the big man in the red coat. But as Flama approached his front door, he had no idea he was actually walking into an ambush. Bakiri was a Swedish Albanian national who was said to be a co-founder and partner of the record label 2020 Records who had offices in London and Stockholm.

The independent label was previously called Fantabulous Music and was founded in 2008. I think 2020 Records is much better than Fantabulous. Yeah, I don't like Fantabulous.

But there we go. Bakiri lived a fairly opulent lifestyle. He owned a £1.7 million home in Battersea where he lived with his wife, Deborah, who he had got married to in the October of 2018 in Lake Como, Italy.

Flama Bakiri was also the brother of Model and reality show Star. I've put that in inverted commas. Missy Bakiri, who appeared on the TV reality show that had real housewives of Cheshire.

So Missy was married to a man called Anders Lindegard, who was a Danish goalkeeper who had played for Manchester United briefly. Bakiri was shot just yards from his home. I know.

And was believed to have been the 142nd killing in London in 2019, which was the highest number in any calendar year since 2008. Police stated that neighbors near the scene had described hearing gunshots followed by a woman screaming for help. Vitoria Amati, one such neighbor, said, I heard eight to 10 gunshots fired in quick succession.

Okay, now. I know. And then I heard the screams of the wife.

I came out and realised it was one of my neighbours. He was lying in front of his doorway in a pool of blood. He was still alive.

We were really hoping he would make it. You have no idea how desperate she sounded. A young woman who identified herself as a nurse helped Bakiri and applied pressure to his wounds while about 10 different people called 999.

So why would a music label founder and family man be the target of eight to 10 gunshots seemingly out of nowhere? Well, because Bakiri was also considered to be and I quote a kingpin in an international drugs gang. Oh, right. Yes.

It's claimed that he'd been involved in the international drugs trade since 2007 and was part of a gang led by a man called Daniel Petrovski. Crown prosecution service prosecutor Louise Attrill said that the murder was part of a tit-for-tat rivalry between two very significant organised crime groups claiming it was an international assassination which required meticulous planning and involved a group of organised criminals recruiting a team to carry out a shocking and brutal murder. And when I say that she's not wrong it is insane the amount of planning that went into this murder.

So police actually believed that Bakiri had been a target since the summer of that same year and plans had been being put in place for about six months prior to the murder actually taking place. So there's a man there's going to be a lot of names now. Okay.

So there's a man called Estevan Pinot-Munizaga and he travelled to London for about and was in London for about 14 hours total. And he rented a flat in Oyster Wharf and visited Bakari's house nearby. So he's like doing a recce.

Doing a bit of a recce. Yeah exactly. He bought a lady's bicycle with a basket.

Okay. I don't know why that detail's in their own. But he bought one of these.

And then another associate of the gang also came to London and he seemingly just bought a litter picker. It will become clear in a moment. And this was all in preparation for the arrival of a man called Anis Hemisi who was 24.

And he arrived on the 20th of December. So we've got three people. Three people have come over.

Yeah. One's bought a bike. One's bought a bike.

One's bought a litter picker. Yeah. The other one's just chilling.

Just chilling in the flat in Oyster Wharf. Okay. It's been rented.

So Hemisi was a professional kickboxer from Bakiri's native Sweden. And he arrived in London as say on the 20th of December. And he used the bike that was procured by Pino Manazaga to carry out reconnaissance three days before the shooting.

He disguised himself during this as a street cleaner. So he was wearing latex gloves, a mask, sunglasses and high vis work clothes and was holding the litter picker. And had the litter picker.

And a black bin bag. Now why one person can't get a bike and also a litter picker? Seems it just feels a little bit like it feels like overkill for covering your track. For like the details.

It's just like but also at the same time. I can't help but wonder if I looked out the window and there was a man with his face covered and gloves on. Holding a black bag and a litter picker cycling a lady's bike with a basket.

I'd think what's happened to the council? I'm worried about my bin collections if this is the kind of street cleaning we've got going on. Because they've got those. The big bin things.

That look like is it Nunu from the Teletubbies? Yes they do look like Nunu from the Teletubbies. That's exactly it. And that's what I would expect to see.

Have there been council cuts? That's exactly what's going on. Oh my god. But apparently this was the disguise that they decided to go with.

So the outfit and the bike though were both abandoned when a local resident named Jeremy Lyons became suspicious after seeing Hemisee working on both public and private streets. Oh we don't pick litter here. We don't pick litter here.

Absolutely not. And he told the hitman to get away from the estate please. Um.

Only in Battersea. I don't know. Well I don't know.

I just thought Battersea always seemed like one of those places. It's a bit like Fulham. Like if you can afford to live there you wouldn't want to.

Okay. I don't know. I don't know if I agree or disagree.

Yeah I just I don't know. It's just one of those places that's a bit like what's in Battersea apart from the power station. And the dog's home.

Yeah but I suppose this is where we get into the we already have the south east north divide in London. Which we've capitalised on. I mean a hundred percent.

But do we also then need a you're the wrong bit of south. No no no no. And it's definitely not the wrong bit of south.

But it isn't very different bit of south for us. An entirely different bit of south for us. Like I didn't well I think it was one of the first cases we spoke about and I was like well I can't do that.

It's in Clapham. Yeah. Clapham's South London.

That's South London. Ah well I think it's just south east London. Yes yes yes.

What is familiar to our surroundings? It's all of this. You mean there is more to the world than what I can see at the end of my nose. There's more to south London than maulies.

That's the thing I'm thinking. Which is very bizarre for me. Get over it now.

Absolutely not. So yes Hamisi then found a replacement bike which he parked on the Thames path and used to make his getaway after the shooting. After the shooting he flew to Copenhagen in Denmark in the early hours of Christmas Day was arrested on his return after a little holiday in Thailand because even hit men need some down time.

So Detective Sergeant Brett Scroron said and I quote this murder was meticulously planned by the suspects and involved a number of different men travelling to the UK in the months leading up to Mr Bekkari being fatally shot. The Met described the case as one of the most complex murder investigations in recent history. Then wait for it.

Our girl's back. Mrs Justice Cheema Grubb. Remember the last name? Bobby Cheema.

She's back at it. Good old Bobby. Yes girl and she's a judge.

She's a judge. She's done. Oh I love her.

She's done well for herself. For those of you who don't know what we're talking about. Bobby Cheema was the prosecutor in Sean Corey and also Bernaz.

Bernaz. Bernaz. She's the big one.

Yeah yeah yeah. But yeah so now she is a judge. I'm pleased.

I know. And she described the murder as international crime at its most brutal when sentencing Hamisi. She stated Flama Bekkari, a Swedish citizen was suspected of involvement in international drug dealing and other serious crime.

But he was also a son, a partner and a father. His children will never know him and nothing the court does can comfort them or reconcile those who loved him to their loss. Anise Hamisi, on this evidence there is no doubt that aged just 22 with no previous convictions in 2019 you were a gun for hire.

The intricate planning that enabled you to arrive in London just a few days before shooting that man dead in front of his family as they were walking to their front door on Christmas Eve also enabled you to leave the country within hours of his death. Hamisi was found guilty of murder and possession of a firearm and was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of 35 years. Pino Manizaga was jailed for 15 years after being acquitted of murder but found guilty of manslaughter.

Clifford Rolex from Islington and Dutch national Claude Isaac Castor from Saint Martin in the Caribbean were each jailed for three years after being found guilty of perverting the course of justice having been hired locally to clean up and remove evidence including the gun from the flat that they'd rented in Oyster Wharf. Okay, there you are. That's blimey.

That's Christmas Eve. Yeah, those poor kids man and his wife like Jesus. I just... You just wouldn't... No.

...ever get over something like that. And I think it's like shootings as well I know I'm not trying for a second to say that South London doesn't have shooting incidents because of course it does but it still seems slightly alien. I think this is like a UK thing and Ireland I'd say that it's Southern Ireland I should say don't want people to come for me.

Anything gun related just sounds American to me. Yeah, it does. It does.

Like I don't... I can't fathom that there are guns in this country. But you say that. I know there are.

I'm 100% with you because like to my mind I'm like right well we had the one... I mean fucking awful Lockerbie. Lockerbie. No, no, no, no.

I get that. I do that every single time. It's the other Scottish place.

Dunblane. Dunblane. There we go.

Oh that was a brain itchy. Right, so we have the Dunblane massacre and it's like one... I mean fucking right. It was awful but we had that and then suddenly it's like oh okay so there are no handguns.

That's it. Done, done. It happens once.

It's fucking over with. But then I have to remind myself that it wasn't that long ago that there was a gun shop in Catford. Yeah.

Which is just wild. It is baffling. But yeah, the idea of just kind of like out of nowhere you're walking home for Christmas and I get it like he's into drugs and there's probably... He's not a completely innocent person.

He's not a saint but... Yeah, it's just a bit... In front of your kids and your family. It's just fucking horrific. And I suppose there's that thing right that you kind of... I mean this is a far bigger conversation than we'll have right now.

And it's that thing of justice being rehabilitation and punishment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could... Like it takes away the potential for him to atone for his crimes and rehabilitate into an upstanding member of society.

Yeah. Right? So okay, yeah, he was no angel. Yeah.

But he could have turned things around. Or you know... And then there's the whole other argument but like how many people die from drug-related incidents and drug dealers perpetuating Jesus. Not perpetuating Jesus.

That's not what they do. And on his birthday. Yeah, anyway, I'm opening up several different huge conversations.

I was gonna say that... Just to say... You don't expect to hear of someone being shot. No, no, no you don't, you don't. And then going back to your case with Casey, like I find that baffling in terms of like the whole bit about using a knife as a shield and things like that just seem really... Like you kind of just... And I know he was 16.

Yeah. But like someone is going to get hurt. Of course.

But I suppose it is kind of that thing of like trying to see it from that defense side. Like you're 16. There's an older person who's lost their temper.

Who's thrown a lamp. I know this is all allegedly and it was their words against each other's like, well not hers. But you know what I mean, like his word about what happened.

But you know, you've already been hurt in that altercation. If you then... You could be like, just get away from me. With the knife in front of you.

Like I'm sure many people have been in what they considered a life-threatening situation where they've used something to protect themselves. Like I can see that is a possible logical thing that could have happened. I don't know how that... Again, this is going to sound odd.

If it was a slash wound. Yeah, that's exactly what I was about to say. That would have made absolute sense.

I don't understand how you don't know you've hit someone when they have a stab wound to the chest. Yeah, exactly. You're going to have, without being graphic, you're going to have hit things that are going to mean that you do know that.

You would have had to go in with force. Yeah, exactly. I think it's also quite interesting because I remember reading a bit about this case at the time that it happened.

And again, with the whole like press sensationalism and stuff. But it just being about, oh well, they were both doing balloons of laughter. So they were they were off their heads and that's what you should have killed me and Magaluf then.

It's the stuff that they put inside the whipped cream canisters, guys. Like it's... Is it heroin? Probably not. I mean, I know it like everything's bad, right? It's not.

But it was just the way that it was. I remember I wouldn't do it now and I wouldn't advocate anybody else doing it. Oh, no, no, no.

Don't be stupid. But at the same time, there are... I think you could probably be you could probably be considered to be more out of control or more of a danger to yourself and others from drinking. Oh, hell yeah.

Than from laughing gas. And I just found it interesting that it was like all of the case reports at the time was very much playing on the oh, there was nitrous oxide. Nitrous oxide this, nitrous oxide that.

And it's like, really? I do have something else about that case, but I actually don't know if I'm allowed to say it. So as it's Christmas, and I love the Trevors. Yeah, I'm going to say it, but I'm going to say it quickly, then we're not going to talk about it.

Okay, well, skip past it. Yeah, I know that the person that found the knife. Oh, right.

Cut themselves with it and got their DNA on the knife. Like the police had to be like, for fuck's sake. And they obviously had to like have all the testing for HIV and like bloodborne infection and all of that.

But then also had to be eliminated from the inquiries by DNA. Oh, that poor person. I know.

Can you imagine? They had recently started a new job and they had to say to the person they were working with. In the middle of my shift, I might need to leave because the police might want me and I think it was like their third day or something. No, that's not a way to start your January.

I don't actually know that and I know nothing about it and I don't know who it is. Obviously. Well, on that note, I'm going to tell you another story and this one is slightly different.

We're now moving into... Oh, I just looked at my thing. I was like, we've done Christmas Eve. Rachel, what are you talking about? Excuse me.

I scrolled up by accident. Is it? Yeah. Is it not me? No.

Okay. You're doing the last two. Oh, I do two in a row.

Yeah, fine. So we're now moving into Christmas Day and this one is the very early hours of Christmas Day and I'm going to put some trigger warnings out here and I'm going to put some of my... Trevor's, I'm going to be a mum. There's going to be a little bit of a lesson that we talk about at the end of this case and it's for all of you to listen to and for all of you to take seriously.

Okay? Okay. Good. Next, we head out to the very south of South London and an incredibly sad story of another young woman who was murdered at what should have been a really happy time of year.

Lily Clack, a 21-year-old from Kaar-Scholten in South London was a kitchen designer and was described by her family and friends as a vibrant, hardworking and caring young woman. Known for her blonde hair, blue eyes and infectious personality, Lily is described as having brought joy to everyone she met. She had a creative and playful side and often worked as a Disney princess entertainer at children's parties dressing as characters such as Cinderella and Elsa.

On Christmas Eve 2021, Lily headed to the hellhole that is Winter Wonderland in central London with her boyfriend Jack, her friend Delia and Delia's boyfriend George. Winter Wonderland is literally the accumulation of everything I hate. I just, I can't.

I've found too many people. Over expensive beer. A bar that spins.

No thanks. I get motion sickness. Everything about it just fills me with dread.

Yeah, no, it's not for me. It's not. I mean, and you know what, more power to you.

If you love it, you love it. Great. I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to pee on your chips, but no, what a strange time to decide not to swear.

Pee on your chip. Anyway, sorry. I mean, come on.

This is the woman who earlier said that face could curdle milk. I don't know where I think I am. What I think I'm doing.

I said exactly how I felt was like, bring ring. Oh, hang. I've made just a few.

It's 1940. They're wanting their databases. Yeah.

If you like Winter Wonderland, more power to you, but it's not for me. Anyway, so Lily and her boyfriend and her friend and her friend's boyfriend were all at Winter Wonderland. And this had all been pre-arranged and Lily's mum, Debbie, who we will hear from a little bit later.

A little bit later. Had warned her not to be late back as she needed help early on Christmas morning, right? So the group then headed back after Winter Wonderland was over. They headed back closer to home in Karshoulton.

They had originally planned to go to the ice bar in central London. Have you been? It's cool, isn't it? Literally. Yeah, the ice bar's an interesting one.

It is another one that is just like, I don't know why I went. I don't like being cold. And I don't like spirit heavy drinks.

So I went to the ice bar. Makes sense. But yeah, so they were planning on going to the ice bar, but Lily had forgotten her ID.

And her mum said that she had rung her in tears, saying that they wouldn't let her in. And then, which this is awful, her mum then said, you know what, Lil, you ain't meant to go to the ice bar. Something's going to happen tonight.

Stay away and make your way home. So Lily and her friends caught a tube to Morden and then went to the Ganley's Irish bar pub, which was local to them about 15 minutes away from Lily's home. As the evening concluded, the group of friends accepted a ride home from a 25-year-old man named Charlie Hilton, who was an acquaintance.

Now, I couldn't find out how the group knew him. Outside of him just being referred to as an acquaintance. And he offered to drive them in his mum's Mercedes.

He at the time was living on a caravan site in Tadworth in Surrey, which is not far from Kaar-Scholten. And he was known to Lily and her friends, but he wasn't close with them. And there were lots of different reports around how they'd actually gotten into the conversation about getting a lift home.

So some reports said that he was a friend of Lily's friend. So there was like a degree of separation between them. Some said that the groups have been in the same pub in Morden as the group as Lily and her friends, completely by chance, but they knew each other somehow.

And then others say that Hilton and his friend were refused entry to the bar and met the group later as they were kind of leaving. Right, I see. Okay.

So Hilton had a history of reckless behavior and a criminal record, including 11 prior convictions. And these offenses included motoring violations and a 10-month prison sentence for possession with intent to supply psychoactive substances. It's unclear whether this was known to the group.

So we don't know, again, when we say acquaintances, we don't know how close. Yeah, they were. So we don't know if they knew about his history.

And we also don't know whether they knew that Hilton was wildly over the legal drinking limit when they accepted the ride. So the thing was that like Lily's house from the pub wasn't that far. But it's one of those things where it's like, you've had a drink yourself.

Oh, come on. We're all going. Exactly.

It's not just you as a girl getting in a car by yourself later. But it's also like, well, don't be an idiot and walk on your own because we're all going in the car. We're all going.

We're all panning. It'll be fine. It's only down the road.

So they got in the car and it's also said that the car was overloaded with passengers as well when it set off. So around 2 a.m. on December the 25th, Hilton attracted police attention due to his spinning out of the car park and other erratic drunk driving. When officers signalled for him to stop, he accelerated reaching speed of up to 100 miles per hour in a 40 mile an hour zone.

And despite passengers in the car pleading for him to stop, he continued reckless driving and apparently stayed silent while doing so for three miles. Some fucking horror film. Yeah.

So he drove in silence, going 100 miles an hour for about three miles. The police car that had originally told him to stop, they lost sight of the Mercedes. But about a mile further down the road, Hilton lost control of the vehicle which collided with a tree, overturned and caught fire on Beaches Avenue.

Local residents including an off-duty nurse grabbed fire extinguishers and other sort of medical care and they tried to pull the unconscious passengers from the car and helped with on-site resuscitation until the paramedics arrived. Lily was critically injured and rushed to hospital alongside her boyfriend Jack Watson and best friend Delia Casey who both sustained life-changing injuries. Delia suffered broken bones in her back which required extensive surgery and is still suffering panic attacks and deteriorating mental health and Jack suffered a leak on the brain and a punctured lung.

And then another passenger named Callum Smith suffered a wound to the head, broken bones and two punctured lungs. Hilton, the one who was driving, was treated for a minor leg injury and later arrested. He answered no comment during police interviews even though it was obvious who was driving or the rest of it.

It's not fast. Lily's cerebral nerves have been severed and her neck had been broken. There weren't that many bones that weren't broken or swollen or damaged in some way.

Her mum said amazingly her face was perfect with absolutely no damage at all and her aunt Donna Barnum described her as looking like Sleeping Beauty as she lay in hospital bed. Oh my god, this is heartbreaking. Yeah, so on the night, so this happened at around 2am, Debbie woke up at about 2.15 in the morning and noticed that the hallway light was still on, which was the signal that Lily wasn't home yet.

They left the hallway light on for her and so she sent Lily a text before drifting back to sleep and then she was woken up about 30 minutes later by a bang on the door. Debbie said, and this is, this is really sad. Debbie said, I thought it was Lily.

I ran downstairs in my pyjama top shouting that the key is in the flower pot. I was annoyed. I didn't want her to ruin.

Of course you're annoyed. Yeah, you're like, fuck safe. You forgot your key.

I told you not to come back later. I was like, I was annoyed. I didn't want her to ruin Christmas.

A man shouted back saying it was the police and I opened the door asking what had happened to Lily. They asked me if I was her mother. I thought she'd been in a fight or something.

I was guessing she was locked up in a cell. The policeman said she's been involved in a car crash. I said she couldn't have been because she hadn't taken her car.

They went to St George's hospital in Tooting. And there a doctor told Debbie that Lily had a bleed on the brain. Debbie said, I remember screaming.

Michael, who's Lily's brother, was standing there holding my hand. She added, a doctor came out and held my arm telling me that we have to prepare ourselves for the worst. Doctors managed to stop the bleed but scans showed that there was no brain function.

Doctors then said on December the 28th. Okay. Doctors said that Lily had gone into organ failure and she died a few hours later.

Debbie said that the doctors had said that they wouldn't touch the machines and that they would let Lily go on her own. She said an hour before she died, her face changed. She looked so sad.

Her eyes were sad. She then took her last breath with me, Michael and Donna, her aunt holding her hand. So this is where we then get into the bit that just makes you furious.

We've done the sad bit. Hilton. Was arrested the same night as the crash.

However, despite this and despite multiple people recognising and pointing him out as the driver, it took a whole year for Hilton to be charged with causing death by dangerous driving. Yep. And in the December, the following year, like that was when he was kind of officially charged and between that time, he was able to keep his driver's license.

Are you fucking kidding me? Nope. He had his driver's license. What? Yeah.

Yep. What? I know. It's insane.

It's insane. This man has caused, I know that he hadn't been charged, but like, but even if it was just an invested, like, yeah, even what? I know. Hang on.

What? I know. That beggars believed in it. And he was also seen kind of like, he was all over social media, planning holidays with his friends to Ibiza and Dubai and like, Lily's family essentially just saw it as like, there was, they didn't see any remorse.

Of course they didn't because he wasn't feeling any. No, exactly. So when he was finally brought to trial in January of 2023, Hilton pleaded guilty to causing Lily's death by dangerous driving.

Three counts of causing serious injury, failing to stop when directed and driving above the alcohol limit. Police investigations revealed that Hilton's blood sample indicated a level between 105 milligrams to 215 milligrams per 100 milliliters and the legal limit is 80 milligrams per 100 milliliters. So yeah.

Fucking. Prosecutor Harry Garside said Hilton was told by his passengers that a police vehicle had turned on its blue lights behind them and was indicating for him to stop. Instead, he sped off so fast that one of the group bumped their head on the roof of the car.

Oh my God. Mr Garside said the defendant's response to being told to pull over was silence and he continued driving at high speed. Disprick.

I know. As Hilton appeared at the Old Bailey to be sentenced, Lily's mum and aunt wept as they read victim impact statements. Her mum said the beautiful person who grew inside me has been taken away too soon.

My heart has been shattered in a million pieces. Living without Lily is like living without air. Sometimes I struggle to breathe.

She was my absolute best friend. She was my constant companion going shopping, eating at restaurants. She was my confident and my confidence.

Her aunt said she went out one day to have fun and she did not come home. She was killed. Her life taken away because of another person and that person, Charlie Hilton, made a choice.

He did not listen to our Lily and his passengers pleading with him to stop. He continued to drive at speed and killed our princess. The selfish choices he made killed our little baby.

Hilton was jailed for 10 years and six months but in mitigation, Isabel McCarroll said Hilton took full responsibilities for his thoughtless behaviour. Oh really? She said he wishes he could turn by the clock back and will never forgive himself. What, not forgive himself in Dubai? Exactly.

Judge Sarah Monroe Casey branded Hilton's actions as stupid and selfish as she jailed him. She disqualified Hilton from driving for five years after his release from prison. But the way that our justice system works, essentially, he's likely to serve six years of his 10-year sentence if he's well behaved and then he'll have five years.

So he'll actually only not be able to drive for... Basically well, yeah. And yeah, it's not great. So in June of 2022, the maximum sentence for death by dangerous driving increased from 14 years to life imprisonment.

Right. But it's rarely been enforced and it wasn't used for cases that happened... Before that. It wasn't retroactively added.

So either way, Road Peace, the national charity for road crash victims, has persistently called for tougher sentencing and for faster suspension of driver's licenses. That is just wild. I know.

It's insane. Like, even if... I think if there's any kind of accident or incident where there are people hospitalised, regardless of what happens next in terms of the investigation and what happened and breaking down, the driver of that vehicle should have their license suspended. Yeah.

It's interesting. I think that it has to be done on a case-by-case basis. I mean, and I'm saying this is somewhat like, you know, there was an incident with someone in my family where someone was hospitalised in a car accident.

But they were a motorbike and there was breath-alives as done and they'd done like all the tests, the sobriety tests and everything. And obviously this person that the accident had happened too was found to be sober and there was nothing wrong with them. So even though the motorbike rider went to hospital, like, I think it was... But they weren't allowed to drive that day.

They were not allowed to get back behind the wheel of a car on that day and they were advised to go and have themselves checked out and all the rest of it. But it was essentially found that it was the bike's fault. Anyway, if it's dangerous driving because you are under the influence, then done.

Forever. So murdered. I don't know why I'm so angry.

I just doubt this makes me so angry. It is. It's fucking avoidable.

Yeah. 100% it's avoidable. It's selfish.

It's stupid. It's fucking stupid. And it actually echoed by Mrs. Rebecca Morris, head of Road Peace Communications, who said it is completely unacceptable.

If you have been behind the wheel and there is evidence that you were responsible for a death on the road, there is no way you should be able to get back into the front seat until sentencing. And until you're found whether or not it was your fault or not. So since her daughter's death, Debbie has been petitioning for Lily's Law to suspend driving licenses after under the influence scenarios.

And it had its first reading in Parliament in June 2022. She said of drunk drivers and this, Trevor's, is the learning point. Here we go.

Don't drink and drive. If you think you're going to drink, leave your car at home. Don't think after three drinks you'll be okay.

Think of the people you might be driving with. Think of those innocent people that you are going to be putting at risk. We are campaigning for Lily's Law.

We want driving licenses to be suspended on the day of the crash and then if they are found guilty to have the license taken away for life, do not do it. It's really simple. It is that simple.

And at this festive time of year, when we know that everyone's going to be having a little and it's a Christmas party and it's a, oh look, we're just dropping in for one. Yeah. Like it's fine and everyone will do it.

We're like, oh I'll have another one. I'll have it. Just leave the car where it is.

Yeah. It will be there the next day. Just don't.

Yeah. And I know that we're, I know our Trevor's are sensible people. But it's just yeah.

And I think people forget that alcohol is a drug. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like they think, oh I have one glass of wine every night or whatever.

So therefore I'm fine. Like I can handle this. I know my tolerances.

Are you telling me that you've never been somewhere and thought, God, I got drunk a lot quicker than I normally do. Yes. Like, or you know, oh that's different today.

Yeah. Or the other way where you've drunk an absolute skimful and feel absolutely sober. Like alcohol will affect you in different ways.

If you're a woman, depending on your cycle. Yep, yep. Like just as one thing and I'm sure there's probably science behind the hormonal activity of men as well.

Or women that don't ovulate like everyone can be affected by alcohol differently. And so yeah, when you hear stories like this and you hear about, you know, the heartbreak. It's horrible.

And so yeah, this is my little plea to everyone. Just go and enjoy a drink. If you like a drink, don't get me wrong.

I love one, but just be sensible. Get a cab, get a night bus. Loads of great things happen on the night bus.

Lots of fucking terrible things happen on night buses too. I was going to say. And that is me speaking from a very, very privileged position that if I'm on a night bus, I normally have a six foot three fucking bricks with me.

So it does make me feel slightly invincible, but I think that's fair. But I know he's not. And I still take that gamble.

But yeah, there's other options guys. Yeah, just just don't do it. Don't do it.

Not that you would. I'm not making that judgment on our Trevor's. I don't think any of them.

I don't think any of them. But if you do, just know that we'll know. We will and we will judge it.

We won't be angry. We'll just be very disappointed. I'll be angry.

I'll be fucking livid. And I'll kick you in the face. Moving on.

Right. I'm sure this will calm you down. So we're still on Christmas day.

We are now on Christmas day on a very chilly 2013. Okay. In Peckham, where a family gathered with friends to celebrate Christmas.

Among the guests was a 25 year old man who has not been named. Who arrived around 3pm with his wife and young children ready to eat, drink and be merry. However, what should have been a fun filled family day soon became a nightmare as a brutal attack was carried out over seemingly nothing.

God, here we go. A few days prior to Christmas, the 25 year old victim had borrowed a piece of equipment. Reportedly a cannabis filter.

Right. Allegedly. Yeah, fine.

From a 31 year old, Marbury Briscoe. Okay. Though the filter had been returned to Briscoe's girlfriend, a series of angry text exchanges had followed and there were mounting tensions between the two men.

And that kind of, it culminated in a number of threats made against the victim by Briscoe. So on Christmas day, when the victim and his family arrived at the gathering, he saw Briscoe there alongside another man 35 year old Junior Mullings. Both men were known to the victim having been running in the same circles for years.

Briscoe and Mullings started behaving aggressively towards the 25 year old man hurling insults and cursing him in front of his family. Rather than confront them or escalate the situation further, the victim decided that he would just leave the gathering. Right.

But before he could make his exit, the situation spiralled. As the victim turned to leave, Briscoe and Mullings blocked his path and grabbed him, putting him into a headlock position. The victim struggled and said that he was punched and kicked repeatedly as his family looked on horrified.

God. The attack then escalated with Briscoe or Mullings, it hasn't been just stated who, pulling a knife and stabbing the man 11 times. 11 times.

In front of his family. Ambulance and police were called to the scene and the victim was taken to hospital where he was left fighting for his life. Luckily, he survived his attack.

He survived 11 stab wounds. Christ. Detective Sergeant Ian Smith stated, this was an incredibly vicious attack.

It is difficult to comprehend how a dispute over a small piece of equipment could have led to such a distressing outcome and a man with several stab wounds. Bloody hell. Briscoe and Mullings, both from Peckham, were arrested and charged with attempted murder on Boxing Day 2013.

Stephen Mullings was also arrested and charged with attempted murder a few weeks later on the 17th of January 2014. All three were taken to court where they were found not guilty of attempted murder and grievous bodily harm. Briscoe and Junior Mullings were, however, found guilty of actual bodily harm.

Okay, fine. They were both jailed for 27 months each after being found guilty at the Old Bailey. 27 months? I know.

I know. Is that it? I know. Fucking hell.

It's ridiculous, isn't it? Stephen Mullings was found not guilty on all charges. Detective Sergeant Smith said after the trial, I am satisfied with the result of our investigation and I hope this sentence will send strong message to anyone thinking to use violence to solve a disagreement. We will do all we can to bring violent and dangerous individuals before a court.

Good. Yeah, 27 months, ma'am. Insane.

You don't put a knife thinking... No. No, if you've got to stab somebody 11 times and think this will be fine. That was just a tickle.

Oh God. So that's fun. But he lived though.

11 stabs. 11 stabs. 11 stab wounds.

It's quite impressive to survive 11 stab wounds. Incredible. But also it's just like aggravated assault.

I failed to see how... Actual, bodily harm. Oh, actually, yeah. I failed to see how stabbing somebody 11 times doesn't constitute manslaughter.

Or attempt... No, it's not manslaughter because he's alive. Attempted murder. Attempted murder, yeah.

Just bloody... Okay. Oh, dear me. We're sticking with me.

Oh, we are. Yes, yes. And we're moving to Buxton Day.

Arguably my favourite day of the year. Is it? No. Fireworks night is.

One of. My favourite day of Christmas. Is it? Why? I think the pressure's off.

Well, it depends. That's a bit of a lie because there have been... great Christmas days when all the family have been in one place. But every other year, kind of my uncle and his family will be at his wife's side.

Right, yeah. And not that I don't love my immediate family. Yeah.

But it's just always a bit buzzier when we've got new people coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I don't know.

And I like the pressure being off a bit and anything you can eat with pick a lily. I mean, I'm with you there. I'm absolutely 100% with you there.

The thing that I don't like about Boxing Day, I get a little bit down on Boxing Day. Oh, really? Yeah, I think it's just because like the... I don't know. It's all like because I spend a lot of time doing all of the Christmas shopping and all of that.

Like the come down. Yeah, it's kind of like all of that for one day. Cool.

But anyway, I do love anything cold meat and mash with pickles. I'm like, yes. Yeah, that is God tier.

Christmas food. Cool, right. We're in Boxing Day.

So we're Boxing Day in Mottingham. Okay. So on Boxing Day in Mottingham, a seemingly simple dispute over noise reached a tragic conclusion.

Two neighbours, 52-year-old Christopher Froon and 64-year-old Patrick Mulrow had been at odds over noise complaints for years. The Froon household had made three complaints to Greenwich Council over the Mulroes' for excessive noise and loud music. The last complaint was just two months before Christmas.

Despite this, the families had managed to coexist and for example, on occasions, the Mulroes would take parcels delivered for the Froons and when they went there and all of that like. So they were still neighbourly. There was an element of, you know, we're living this close to each other.

Yeah, kind of like. Have to put up. Shut up.

Get on, kind of thing. But on Boxing Day, tensions erupted with devastating consequences. So it was the early hours of Boxing Day at roughly 1.45am when Tina Mulrow, Christopher's wife of 23 years, went upstairs to go to bed.

The family had had a busy Christmas Day with all four children returning home to celebrate with them. And Tina said she was exhausted. Daughter Katie stated, it was just a normal Christmas Day.

It was a brilliant day. At the same time, Sandra Froon was seeing a male friend who had also been visiting for Christmas. So seeing him off in an Uber outside her home on Luxfield Road.

It is said that both Tina and Sandra were under the influence of alcohol, which is not surprising. I start my day with Bailey's. I start my day with champagne.

There we go. But yeah, they were under the influence of alcohol and Tina went to the window and called down to Sandra. So it's all right when you make noise or something of similar effect.

Right, OK. To which Sandra just replied by calling Tina a cunt. I mean, a little bit excessive, Sandra, but there we go.

Tina and her daughter Katie, who had also been upstairs at the time, came downstairs and told Patrick, who was known as Patsy by his family, about what had happened Patrick, a black cab driver for most of his life, laughed and said, don't let them get to you before Tina then went outside into the front garden and said to Sandra, I don't understand what we have done to make you hate us so much. Katie described in court that the neighbour said, we asked you to turn the music down at that 18th birthday and you said no. My mum said, that was over three years ago.

It was the Jubilee weekend. No one was at work till Tuesday. It was a long bank holiday.

They weren't, the pair weren't shouting. It wasn't an argument. Right, OK.

It was then that Patrick became involved as he went outside down his drive and along the pavement towards the Thruin house. Christopher Thruin also left his home and went to meet Patrick. But Thruin, unlike Morrow, was armed with a long, thin bladed kitchen knife.

God's sake. The two men came together on the pavement outside their homes and Thruin was seen repeatedly punching Mulrow's left side. Prosecutor Mr Simon Dennison QC, Casey now, sorry, stated at the trial that Mulrow and Thruin were then pulled apart by the women and Thruin walked back to his front porch where he turned and raised up his hand to shoulder level in what Katie described as a he-man pose.

It was only at this point that Katie realised Thruin had a knife. She stated in court that I said, oh, my God, he's got a knife, but I didn't know my dad had been stabbed. Then I could see that there was blood and I said, oh, my God, he stabbed you.

The women managed to get Patrick back into the house and into the living room where it is stated where he is stated to have said, I can't believe he stabbed me. They called for an ambulance while they attempted to stop the bleeding. Paramedics took Mulrow to the ambulance, but they were required to perform emergency surgery on the pavement outside his home.

Sadly, Patrick Mulrow died. Oh, it's so senseless and stupid. During the autopsy, it was found that Mulrow had been stabbed at least six times on the left side of the chest and in the back.

One of the blows was described as being so hard that the knife almost cut one of his ribs into. Mr Denison stated it cut into his lung and despite the efforts of the paramedics who attended, it caused Mr Mulrow to die within one hour at his home on what was in effect the end of Christmas Day. During proceedings, the jury and the trial against Christopher Froon heard that he had been drinking and it is believed that he had taken cocaine before the stabbing occurred.

Froon was described as having had a black eye at the time of the arrest, suggesting that Mulrow had punched him during their altercation, but it is unclear who was physical first. Froon was arrested at his home address and in a police interview said that he was inside his home when he picked up a knife to cut some turkey when he heard the dispute between his wife Sandra and Tina Mulrow. He said he went outside and met Mr Mulrow who punched him in the face knocking off his glasses leaving him stunned and disorientated.

Froon also stated that I didn't have any intention to stab Mr Mulrow. I was not aware that he had sustained any injuries. It all happened so quickly.

Despite this, the jury in a London Crown Court found Froon guilty of manslaughter after he initially faced one count of murder which he denied. He was sentenced to 14 years in prison. That's how it's the escalation.

There's tension brewing for years and years and then it just erupts. Yeah but it's I just can't imagine again it's a bit like with the first with the Casey Clark. Like how do you not know like you're holding a knife.

How do you not know what you're doing? Like in your you're punching someone with the with a knife in your hand like how do you not know that they're going to be hurt though they obviously it's not like I think there's lots of things about like when you like the velocity of a stab or having to stab to actually cause a wound. Yeah. The velocity is such that a lot of perpetrators get injuries to the hand that is holding the knife.

I'm pointing I'm realizing that is unhelpful. And things so like even that even if you did it once you're like fuck. He punched me I was disorientated I went to punch him back.

Yeah I didn't realise. Didn't even think I've got a fucking knife in my hand. You'd feel it.

Yeah yeah yeah. Six. And hard enough.

So hard that you punked her along so hard that you fucking nearly saw a ribbon too. It's just it's madness. It's just so sad isn't it.

Again like all of these cases are obviously desperately sad. But when it is so avoidable so avoidable and so it's just it's over nothing. It's over nothing.

And I get it like there is there can be something torturous about noise being constantly in your face like it's a torture method right. Like that just never ending and you're over stimulating it it just is always happening and you can't like I can see the argument brewing I can see how that tension arises. There's just so many points in this where it could have been escalated by just going back inside your houses and obviously that had worked all the other times before just go inside.

Yep deescalate it. Just completely deescalate it. And I'm not no shade on Tina or anything at all but like again when Patrick says just leave it just ignore it don't let him ruin your day.

It's just Obviously you don't go out there thinking someone's going to bring a knife house into this or anything like that but at the same time just leave it. But you just think about like I just imagine what she must have felt like afterwards in kind of being like if I just not gone outside like and it's just it's just so sad just so desperately sad. There's Sandra there's Tina like if Sandra hadn't called Tina I can't like exactly if this hadn't happened and it is it all boils down to just go back inside Yeah just go inside just leave it alone there's no reason to have the row just don't rise to it but I get you because like on that whole sound like the noise thing like I had a neighbour when I lived at the old house who used to play Oh God yeah Yeah do you remember and she used to be an absolute fucking nightmare and there was one time I remember I was really unwell I had a stomach bug and Will had taken the big one out for me this was before the youngest came along and he'd taken the big one out so that I could just chill because it really wasn't well and she just started playing this music this like drum and bass music really loud in the middle of the day I couldn't I was trying to sleep couldn't sleep I ended up going outside into the back garden because her back doors were open and I was just crying in the garden going like please just turn it down and it was only when my other neighbours on the other side heard me that then they went and knocked and told her to stop event like when that woman moved when I saw that that moving van I was so excited but it happened the same to my mum I remember she's saying that the first flat that we lived in as a family was just music from the upstairs neighbours continuously and so when we moved into our house she went round the house when there was no one else in it like when it was silent to just see what the sound was like because she'd got she was trying to find the points in the house so she wouldn't be able to hear the music like so I get it like noise is a thing it can be torture so it can yeah but I still just go it's not worth someone's life of course not like just yeah yeah oh well thank you very much thank you for your stories and Trevor's that is it for season one how weird who thought we'd get here but yeah so I think all that's left to say is all the nice things really the website is there it's up to date again she got on top of it the Instagram's there which is if you want to go and see my stupid non-makeup face bobbing around then you can go and do that we've just seen and then yeah we've got the email address please do leave us some nice emails we love them and we can't thank you enough for all your support over the last 32 episodes it's been life-changing it's amazing I've had so much fun it's ridiculous I can't tell you Trevor's I think it's even helping with the perception easy now oh my god calm down I'm coming I'm calm I'm calm so calm chill proper chill but no honestly we cannot thank you enough and I think the only thing that's left to say is very merry Christmas merry Christmas happy new year happy new year we'll miss you we will for two weeks but we will be back on the 8th of January Wednesday the 8th of January lovely stuff yeah and just to say just as a bit of a Christmas teaser it's a big one he's a big boy so yeah so with all of that yeah just to say peace out peace out love you goodwill to all men and all of that stuff isn't that the same? very odd brand Rachel goodwill to all humans there we go and also their pets we love each other's we love you bye bye