100 episodes of Sinister South

One hundred episodes. We genuinely can't believe it either.

To mark the milestone we've torn up the format. There's no case this week. Instead, Rachel and Hannah are in the hot seat, and for one episode only their long-suffering editor Will steps out from behind the desk to host.

Expect Sinister South by the numbers, including the oldest case we've ever covered and exactly how many days of true crime you'd need to binge to catch up. Then a batch of questions sent in by the people who've stuck with us from the start: why we started, the cases that affected us most, who'd play us in the film, and which haunted corner of south east London we'd least like to spend a night in. After that, Will runs a quiz to find out how well we actually remember our own back catalogue.

Stay to the end for a reel of our most unhinged outtakes, a fresh batch of gloriously context-free voice notes from Rachel's sister Becky, and a proper thank you to you, the Trevors.

Here's to the next hundred. Normal service, and a new case, returns next Wednesday.

Transcript

Ep 06 - Ep 100

Hello. Hi, I'm Rachel. I'm Hannah.

And this is the Sinister South podcast. The 100th episode. No, don't, let's not start that again from the beginning.

From episode one. It's a callback and those of you who have been here since episode one will hopefully know that we've come some way since then. 99 episodes later.

But here we go. Who'd have thunk it? Us. Us.

Well, yes, my very dedicated and professional, stubborn and stubborn. Neither of us will admit defeat. Neither of us will go.

We don't have a safe word. We will keep going till the end. Keep going, going.

But yes, it's episode 100, which is mental. But here we are. It's also very discombobulating because one, not only is it a Sunday, very weird to be here on a Sunday, but also we're sitting next to each other rather than opposite.

I know, which is just absolutely mind boggling. It has completely thrown me off. I honestly feel like I can't do this.

And why are we sat next to each other? Because we've got a special guest. Now, arguably not the guest we had intended. Yes, yes.

We had very grand ideas that did not come to fruition because neither of us could get our shit together. Yeah, it was entirely our fault. It will.

It will. 150, 200, something like that. Yeah, why not? 10 years? Who knows? But we will do it at some point.

But nonetheless, we do have a very special guest. Are you going to say hello? Hello. Hey, it lives.

It has a voice. That's Will, for people who don't know. I was going to say, we probably should name it.

People will be like, okay, that's a man. Yep. That's Will.

Will's here. You're going to say, you're going to introduce yourself. Say hello.

Tell us a bit about you. No. You have been like, don't, don't pretend that you've not been desperately trying to get onto the podcast because I've heard the little interjections that you've put into certain episodes.

Once. Once was too many. But no, you're, you're, you're here to help us with the 100th episode today, aren't you? Yes, I suppose so.

Yes, you suppose so. Because this is as much, it's not as much your podcast as it is ours. I was just about to say, what the fuck are you talking about? That's really not.

I was about to hit you. No, I just spend the multiple hours trying to fix everything. You do, yeah.

But you also listen to us like chipmunks and then miss out certain things that people have to point out. Listen, no one needs this 100th episode to be a domestic. Let's leave that conversation there.

But before we get started, basically this episode is going to be, as I said, it's a bit different. We're not actually going to tell you a story today. Instead, we're going to answer some questions that we've had sent into us over the last 100 episodes.

We're going to do a little bit of light relief, I suppose. We all know how Hannah feels about forced fun. Organised fun is the best type of fun.

I've said it once. I will say it a million times over. But no, but I thought before we get into it, I have done, as is my want, a bit of research because I can't let a week go by and not have done some research into something because I am a nerd.

But I thought since it was 100, I would have a look at some of the other numbers that have made up some of Sinister South, which is going to be very exciting for all the listeners. And I know they are. They are waiting with bated breath.

Trevor's just let get this out of our system. So 100 episodes of Sinister South has meant that we have put out 113 hours of us. That's what's published.

That's that's published. That's insane. 113 hours on the main feed.

And that's not including the occasional time that there's been anything on Patreon, but the less said about that, the better. According to the raw like recordings and will you can say whether or not you think this is right, but apparently that works out as about 162 hours of content that we've actually recorded for the main feed. Yeah, lots of ums and ahs have been cut out.

About 40 of those hours. Yeah, I was going to hours and hours of me going oh for fuck's sake we'll cut that bit out. Or my cackle, it's all fine.

So that works out about it's it's 4.7 if we want to be precise, but almost five days of completely uninterrupted South London true crime, if you want to just listen to us. A working week. A working week's a working week worth of.

That isn't a bad thing though for anyone new. Yeah, catch up. It'll only take you a working week.

Exactly. It's only five days, 24 hours a day. You'll be listening to five solid days and you'll be right up to date.

Can you imagine listening to us for five solid days, 24 hours? We do live in our own heads. Yes. All right, calm down.

I mean, I think the three of us together. Yeah, yeah, we do. That is true.

Yeah. The only time I'm not hearing your voice, I'm asleep. Well, yeah.

I to be fair, sometimes I will listen to when I'm especially if it's like we've recorded late. So it's then been edited late because we've recorded late and then I'm to listen to it before I put it live. I will fall asleep listening to us.

Jesus. And any other true crime podcast? Any other true crime podcast? Yes. The three of us already know that.

There's nothing embarrassing. More numbers. The oldest case we covered was George Saunders and that was from 1573.

Blinkin' it. And if anyone wants to listen to that, it's in season three, but I didn't think to write down the episode number. So you'll just have a look, which means that we have covered cases that have taken place in South London from 1573 right the way up to the present.

So that's around 450 years of cases. Just getting it. Wow.

We've got breadth. We've got breadth. That's a new way of saying that word, isn't it? Nice.

We have covered. Now, this one was surprising to me, but apparently we've covered more cases from Brixton than any other single location. Really? Yeah.

And Southwark is the largest by borough. I could have sworn. The largest amount of crime by borough.

The largest amount of crime that we've covered so far has taken place in Southwark. I could have sworn it was Croydon. Croydon makes more sense to me, but apparently.

Apparently Southwark. What else have we got? Oh, and then full disclosure, I did ask AI to help me with some of this because, you know, who's got the time? But I asked it to tell me out of the cases in our back catalogue, who was the most internationally known case we've covered? And it's come out and said Lee Rigby. Most famous UK murder was Damilola Taylor.

I think that's fair. Most famous miscarriage of justice. I said two.

It's either Derek Bentley, who is the guy who was hung for the let him have it. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, that's horrible.

Or Rachel Nichol, Robert Knapper, Colin Stagg. Oh, the Stagg. Yeah, the Stagg.

Where he was. He was the prime suspect, wasn't he? Wait, he went to prison for it? Did he? I've got no idea. I can't remember.

Oh, no. Well, he did. He did.

Well, cut that out. We did something. He was definitely implicated wrongly.

So that's fair. And then the highest profile, most recent case we've done is Chris Cava. Gosh, that feels like a lifetime ago.

I know. I know. But yeah, apparently that is.

I mean, that doesn't surprise me as well. That was huge when it was happening. Oh, God.

Yeah. So, yeah, but there you go. There we go.

My sinister self in numbers section. So, yeah, I thought that was interesting. It is.

Yeah. So now we're going to do something a bit different. We're going to stop talking as much.

Well, we're going to carry on talking because otherwise it'll be a really boring podcast. But Will's going to start asking us some questions. Now, what we decided to do when our original idea for the 100th fell through, we thought that we went out to people that are family who listen to the podcast and we asked them to ask us some questions that they might want us to answer.

So Will is now going to act as a quiz master, I suppose. Oh, God, here we go. And ask us some questions.

OK, first question from Christine. Why did you start the podcast? I think we've probably bored the Trevors with this before. So, Christine, catch up.

But we went to see Murder Most Irish in Cork, had a fabulous time, got pissed and decided that we could do it, too. Yeah, basically. That is exactly.

Sat there going, we could we could do it. It looks like fun. Yeah.

And then the next thing we know, it was, yeah, we got back to the hotel room. We made a document that we still use to this day. We still use, yeah.

We just started listing shit out. And then the rest, as I say, is history. So, yeah, I mean, it's also just, yeah, I'm massively into true crime, as you should know.

And so it was just sort of like, I quite like to talk about this stuff, quite like reading about it anyway. Why not do something with it? Yeah. And then here we are, 99 episodes later.

Madness. I know, crazy. But yeah.

All right, next one from Christine. What is the title of your podcast? What was the best one to record for laughs? Oh, when have we had the most? Like, obviously, there's the answer, which is like, you know, it's not fun to record child murder. No, it's really not.

It's very heavy. So there's the obvious answer is like the ones where it brings back. It's like when there's very little to know.

There's no death and there's very little injury. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bit lighter.

Yeah, I would say that the Millennium Dome Diamond Heist was probably the most fun case to cover, purely just because as Han says, like there was no one died. Yeah, exactly. It was like a Guy Ritchie film come to life.

So I thought that was quite fun. In terms of fun to record, I mean, there's loads of things that we've had fun recording. The ones that I enjoy most were the ones where we've kind of started chit-chatting at the beginning and then the next thing, you know, we're like, how the hell have we ended up here? Yeah, I suppose.

Yeah, we have a lot of fun in there. We laugh a lot in the chats. Yeah.

And it does help to balance out the bleakness of the case. I think and there has been times where we've both just completely lost our heads. Yes, yes.

And we've had to completely abandon records multiple times because we've just gone, I don't understand anything anyone said. I don't know why, like, why we can't speak, why we can't focus on what is going on. And that is quite a lot of fun to kind of be cackling and then go, right, let's actually get our shit together together now.

I mean, I suppose, Will, I'll put the question back to you. Have you got an episode that you thought was most fun to edit? Were there any that were really easy? Nothing, nothing fun about the podcast whatsoever. No.

Oh, come on, at one point, Rachel Nade. That was fun. That was quite fun.

Actually, maybe the Halloween or the Christmas one with the extra sound effects was always quite fun. Enjoyed doing that. Nice.

But yeah, it is really difficult to have. And we say it all the time. Like when we say we hope you enjoyed it, like the subject matter of what we do kind of takes away some element of fun or enjoyment.

But we do try and lighten the mood a bit with our usual jibber jabber. Yeah, there we go. There you go.

Thanks, Christine. Okay, next one from Steve. If you both want to cover the same case, how do you decide who gets it? Rachel gets it.

That's not true at all. Rachel gets it. And if I even suggest that I might want something, I get smacked.

It's not true. Put to bed with no dinner. Absolutely untrue and unfounded accusations.

And there wasn't even an allegedly in there. Rude. No, we've had one of these recently where we've had, we've got a few big ones that are on our list that we both have real interest in doing.

But there was one in particular where it was a case of I said, I'll, you can have the other two. If I can have this one. But also because I think we've got quite defined like you, I completely understand and appreciate why you won't want to spend weeks looking at child death.

Yes, yeah. So that makes sense that I take those. And I hate trains.

Yeah, you can have them. I have all the trains, all of the transportation was apart from anything on the river. Get away from my boat.

Okay. But yeah, fuck off from my boat. Or I think we did it once or twice.

Or buoyancy aids. Or buoyancy aids. I've got to leave the boys alone.

I get it. But no, I think we did have it once or twice in the early, or like the earlier episodes where we were kind of like getting used to the like, well, who's going to do what case and there was one where I messaged you and said, Oh, I've just done this one. Like, it's like, I really enjoyed writing about it.

And you went, that's the one I'm writing. Yeah. So we did have to.

I think our communication has got a lot better. Yes, yes, it has. And we're much, I think we're more strategic now in also not filling every season with like, four episodes, bang, big case, big case, high profile case, high profile case.

And then like, oh shit. So I think we're much more strategic about, right, there's a big one. So let's do some lesser known ones.

Yeah. Let's space it out. Yeah, definitely.

Let's not do three weeks in a row where the conjecture or the conversation around a case is going to be similar or the same terms of like, if it's mental health related, if it's, kind of, we're very careful now to ensure enough variety. Yeah. I think for us as well.

I think otherwise we would, the conversation around it all would become so manufactured. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's only so much you can say about like, especially when cases are very similar.

I mean, it's always difficult with, I've got to be careful what I say here, but like, South London, there's a lot of stabbings. Oh my God, so many stabbings. So many stabbings in South London.

So trying to work out a way to have that conversation without it being just the knives of shit. We shouldn't have them on the street. Trying to figure out what a different angle could be is always interesting.

So I think, yeah, that's, we've gotten a bit more focused with stuff like that. But yeah, usually it is a case of, if we both want to, like, cover the same case, we will figure out, okay, well, if you really, really want to do that one, then I will do this one instead. And I think also, like, we balance, like, this is probably more generalist in our friendship as well, is that we do balance each other out quite well.

So I'll know immediately if you're very impassioned about something, I'll know straight away. Right, I'm just going to let Rachel have that. I also think, you know, that if I'm like, I'm doing this, for me to be that assertive about something, you know, oh yeah, okay, fine, let's not fuck with this.

We're not even going to try and suggest that anyone does that one. That's just going to be Hannah's one. Yeah, there you go.

Cool. Cool. Try and be more invested in this.

Your enthusiasm knows no bounds, Phil. Which case surprised you most and by how deeply it affected you when you didn't expect it to? That's from Chris. Hi, Mummy.

Hi, Hannah's mum. Um, I think it took me a really long time to stop thinking about Damalola. Yeah.

And I think I'm quite, I was quite surprised because it's such a high profile case. I just kind of thought I knew everything. And it's been in my consciousness since I was a kid.

Like, I was quite surprised that I didn't kind of bounce back from writing that one. Yeah. As quickly as I thought I would, kind of thing.

I don't know that there were any that surprised me. I mean, no, I think the one that did get to me was the one I've done recently, the Nicola Edgington, Sally Hodgkin. Oh, yeah, that's so hard.

Just so sad. Yeah, it was just the amount of gaps that were made. It was that whole thing of like, you know, she was trying to get someone to help because she knew she was unsafe in terms of Nicola, the perpetrator, knew that she was unwell and knew that she needed someone to help protect her, to protect the public from her.

Crying out for support and help. Yeah, and I think that that was, I didn't expect that to kind of, for her to have gone to the lengths that she went to, to try and prevent what was going to happen. I think that shocked me.

I don't know that, like, yeah, I think that was the only one I've kind of covered that has been really like, oh, OK, wow, there were loads of points where people could have done something and they didn't. And again, not, you know, giving her an excuse for any of what happened. Sally should still be here.

Of course. But yeah, it did shock me that there were so many points where it could have been stopped and it wasn't because of one reason or another. Were there any, again, I'm going to point this at you, Will, were there any that you kind of struggled with when you've been editing? Yeah, there was one recently.

I can't remember if it was this season or late last season. It was about like lots of kids being killed and it was fucking horrible. Was it the Shirley Oakes, the Foster homes? Yes, I think it was that one.

Yeah, there was just just fucking wrong. Yeah, yeah, it's not great. I do sometimes forget, though, that like we do these cases and we spent ages in them and researching them and kind of like we kind of know what we're letting ourselves in for.

Will does not. No, I do, I do. I get it in chipmunk voice, but like it's also still really dark.

And we have walked back in from the shed and I've had said to you before, like, sorry about this one. Ellie Butler, like that was tough. That case was tough.

That was horrible. The ones where we both cried. Yeah, yeah.

I do remember coming back in and looking at you and being like, I'm sorry. This one's not going to be fun for you. Thanks, mum.

So I suppose that kind of leads into a question from Eleanor, which is what is the hardest case you've ever had to research? OK, I guess it depends what you mean in terms of hard. There's like there's two different schools of thought here, isn't there? There's emotionally hard and resonates with you, or there's difficulty in terms of like lack of information and resourcing. And yeah, I think it gets very frustrating.

You can be kind of have you can have a case on your desk for weeks and you can be digging and digging and digging and there's just nothing. Yeah, I like you have to abandon and you don't want to because every case is worth telling. Right.

But you kind of think it's not even a patron. Like we couldn't even fill a 15 minute slot about this case. And those are really hard because it is a case of like a lot of the times as well.

They seem to be the ones where there's there's a load of information about like the actual incident and then nothing. Yeah, nothing else. So you can't find out who the people are.

You can't find out what the motivation was or what kind of even happened. It's like afterwards you just know the gratuitous violence of it. And then that's kind of it, which is is always frustrating is the right word because.

And a lot of that is as well. Just think to what we were saying earlier about knife crime in London being so rife. And a lot of those cases are like that, where there is no kind of history about the perpetrator or the victim.

There's no kind of background into it. Just be like short bylines in pieces where it's just like gang or, you know, turmoil. What do you mean? Yeah, exactly.

And I suppose we, potentially people about outside of that world. Yeah, I kind of I'm grappling. I want an answer.

I want a clear explanation of how this escalated so dramatically into something so horrific as a death. But then if you're talking, I suppose, on the other side about hard as in shit and emotional, like the Clarence, the Clarence family, the Clarence children. That was a horrible case.

That was horrible. And just how they were let down. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty tough.

It is those ones where I think the ones that I found hardest to research are very similar to your point. Like the ones where you go, this could have been prevented. So like the Nicola Edgington one that I've just spoken about.

But also back in season one, I think it was, we did the ones that are linked to the South London Immortality Hospital. And it was just people being murdered in the most horrific ways. And they were allowed to.

It was allowed to happen because of something bureaucratic. Which I think those are always really hard because you just sort of go, but why? If the systems that are meant to be in place to protect people, victims and perpetrators, had worked, then they would have been. Like Destiny Lauren.

Yeah, exactly. Where he shouldn't have been allowed to be in public. Yeah, any of that I always find really hard to research just because it just seems doubly, it's anything that has a failing in a system or something like that, are always hard to research because it just puts an even bigger, why was that allowed to happen? When you have cases where it is just people are absolutely horrific human beings, in a weird way, I can kind of go, okay.

Oh, if there's a monster, it makes it a lot easier, right? It does. When it's just like this person is evil and they just, well not evil, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like this person's just woken up and chosen violence and chosen this life and chosen these actions.

It gives you someone to hate, therefore you've got somewhere to put that emotion. Yeah, exactly. But when it is just a list of failures and someone's just fallen through the cracks, that's always really hard to kind of match up with.

So yeah, there you go. Thanks Elle. Thanks Elle.

Okay, and from Sue, have you ever started looking into a case but had to shelve it because it was too upsetting to carry on? I don't know that I've ever shelved a case because it was too upsetting. No. I've shelved a case because there's not been enough info.

I've shelved a case because I've started researching it and then found out that actually it's not South London at all. We've both done that. We've both done that.

I don't know that I've done one that's been too upsetting. I think the difference is, right, that all of these cases are upsetting. Yeah.

So I kind of go in with my eyes open. The Ellie Butler one was, it broke me. That one was, I applaud you for being able to research it because I think if it had been the other way around, that probably would have been the one that I said, no, I can't do this.

But yeah, I don't know that I've found one that's been too upsetting to cover. I think, and really weirdly, I think in a way, the ones that are upsetting, I actually want to cover them more just because I think that there's something in that story that like, one, I want the person's name to be out there and for people to remember them and to understand the situation that surrounded their death in order to kind of have a fuller picture of them. So I think I kind of want to get that out there.

And again, I go back to, it's always the children related ones, you know, like with Adam in the river, like the fact that we don't know who he is, it's just, it's so devastatingly sad. Yeah, I think I'm with you. I think I agree that there's not necessarily been any shelving because it's been too hard or too sad.

There's definitely been ones where I've been due to tell it and actually have done a different case and left it for a while because I kind of got bogged down in the emotion of it and probably wasn't being very objective with the facts and kind of let my interpretation run on the page and had to go, do you know what, park that, write something else about a different case, come back to it, hone it, and then you can bring it to the pod. Because otherwise, this is just going to be an hour of you crying and going, and it shouldn't have happened! And having like too strong an opinion. Yeah, I think that's fair.

I think that's very fair. Thanks, Sue! Cheers, Mama! Okay, next up from Rich Senior. Ah, baldy bollocks, Senior.

Which non-South London story would you each most like to cover? See, now I have tried not to think too hard about this because I don't want to get like, I really want to do it and try and find a way out of our niche because we've always said no, we're sticking to South London. What one would I really like to do? Hmm, it would be fascinating to do, like, research for, because there's so much about it in the public eye, in the media, it feels like you know a lot about this case by osmosis, but it'd be very interesting to be, to grapple with it, to get it into a format for us. Okay.

Um, it would be Epstein. Oh, yeah. Get old Andy.

Yeah, that would be, that would be interesting. Yeah, be able to talk about a disgraced royal on the pod. I mean, well, yeah, we spoke about his wife.

Exactly, I was just about to say. Yeah, that one would be interesting. I feel like there would be, yeah, there would be so much.

To grapple with and to like, and then I bet there's, because there's just so much of it, right, there's so much about the case. Generally, I bet there's so many interesting points that we probably don't really know about that we'd have to then, when you start researching the way we do for these cases, you'd be like, oh, shit. I didn't know that.

Yeah, there's definitely, yeah, there's a lot of angles there that I think would be really interesting to cover. That's a good one. That's a good one.

Now I need to think of one. I'm clever. Another one, damn it.

Trevor's just by a side note, I normally rally against this type of thing because I'm so rubbish at answering questions on the spot and like, coming up with good answers. You're doing very well. I'm really proud of myself for that one, I was off the cuff completely.

I suppose the one that I would like to cover, again, not like to, but the one that I would feel a bit of an affinity towards covering, I suppose, would be Sophie Lancaster. Hmm. Just because she's quirky.

She's so quirky. I'm so quirky, guys. But no, but because of the impact that I suppose that case had on, it hit very close to home.

Yeah. Sophie Lancaster, for those of you who don't know, I'm sure everyone listening does, but she was a girl who was basically beaten to death for being alternative and her and her partner thankfully survived, but Sophie did not. And she is the driving force behind the Sophie Foundation, which you'll see all over the place.

And if anyone wants to go and donate to them, go and do it because it's a really good cause and I think that people should. But anyway, yeah, that one would be one that I would find really interesting to cover just because, again, as I say, there's an affinity there. There's, I remember my mum once turned around and said, but you had very similar hair to like before.

She was incredibly impacted by that. Again, I think because you do kind of project and go, of course, that could have been. Yeah.

Easily been a friend. Yeah, exactly. I mean, for me, it could have easily been you.

Yeah, exactly. And it's that's the part of it that I find. I would like to look at it because of those affinities, but there's lots out there on her.

So if anyone wants to go and have a research about it, there's loads and loads and loads of information about it. But yeah, I think. But not on this podcast.

Not on this podcast because she's not in London. She's up in Yorkshire, Lancashire, somewhere that way, isn't it? I think so. But yeah, there we go.

It's an interesting one. Thank you. All right.

One from Steve again. If they made a film of your lives, who would you want to play? Oh, Jesus. Danny DeVito.

Straight away. Get me DeVito on the phone now. Oh, I can see it.

Before Manjaro we had the exact same body type. And before you dyed your hair. The episode of It's Always Sunny where he's pretending to be like Andy Warhol.

Oh, dear. I like that. It's a very good answer.

Well done. Who would I like to play me? In a film. Or should we do each other? No, because I feel like that's even more stressful.

Get it right, bitch. You're right next to me. Exactly, that's what I mean.

I mean, OK, there's two answers here. Like there's the, who would I absolutely adore? Looks absolutely nothing like me, but is fucking phenomenal. I would go Angelica Houston.

About the same age. About the same age. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's got much better skin. Um, so yeah, I'd probably say that would be amazing. Who do I think actually would? And also Danny DeVito and Angelica Houston next to each other.

Yeah, pretty passable height difference wise between us two. That's very true. Yeah, no, that would be the dream.

Well, who's playing you? Yeah, come on, who's playing you? Who's playing you? You gotta think of someone. You gotta join in. This isn't just.

I don't know, I don't watch movies. You do watch movies. My God, who would play you? It needs to be someone like a bit nerdy.

But like, see, I'm going to say something now and people are going to go, what the actual fuck? And I don't mean it because you look like him. No offence, because you don't look like him. I'm just thinking about the Warhammer link.

No, you said it. Get me out. Is there a gas leak? Is there a fucking gas leak in this tiny shed? It was purely for the Warhammer connection.

I love you, Will, but fuck off. I did say multiple times, not because you look like him, because you don't. Can you imagine how quickly I would have stolen your husband? That was true.

It was purely for the nerdy Warhammer references. That's all I've got. No, you're shell-shocked now.

Because of the, like, quirky gothness of you, I could see you having a Nina Rishi in your future. I wouldn't say no, that's fine. Yeah, I like that.

Compliment me now. I would say, I actually think... Fucking Henry fucking Cowell. Again, I did not say... And you went to Spec Sabres yesterday.

I did go to Spec Sabres, not for myself. I think that actually I can see... I can never say her name right. Is it Kristen Wig? Not Kristen Wig.

Kirsten. Kirsten Bell. Kirsten Bell.

The one who does The Good Place and... Oh, really? Yeah, and Frozen. Purely because she's fucking hilarious, but in a way that is not slapstick. There is an intelligence behind her comedy, which I think is very you.

Okay, we're going to kiss now. There we go. I think I win that round.

Well done. Merry Christmas, happy birthday. Go on then, next one.

Again from Sue. What famous person would you be most chuffed to find out was a Sinister South fan? Henry Cavill. Danny DeVito.

Danny DeVito would be epic. Who would I be chuffed to find out? I think it would be someone like... Really random and out there, but someone like Patton Oswalt. Purely because his wife did all of the research into the Golden State Killer.

He is kind of known by... I mean, I know he's known because he's a brilliant actor, but he's known by association with her and that case. And so I just think it would be cool to have... You've immediately... Like now my brain's gone... Yes, Sarah Koenig. Yeah.

Serial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyone that actually worked on Serial ever listened to this.

Exactly. I'd be so chuffed. That would be amazing.

If we were going more just for sort of like... Fame. What would Little Hannah, who would like... If my young person in me, my little girl, what would make her heart sink would be... Oh my God, Rachel from Friends. Yes! Oh my God, Rachel from Friends.

If Jennifer Aniston ever listened. That would be so cool. Actually makes me really nervous.

See, by the same token, mine would either be Mike Shinoda from Linkin Park. Because yes, I did used to call myself Noodle Shinoda. Or... She's quirky.

She is quirky. Or completely out of left field, Emma Bunton. Oh my God, if a Spice Girl ever listened.

If a Spice Girl listened, right? How cool would that be? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want a Spice Girl to listen. Any of those, all of the above.

What about you? If you could have someone listening to our podcast, knowing that you mixed it. God, nobody. It's awful.

Rude! No, no, not the podcast, the mix. Okay, who would you like to listen and then be able to give you tips? I don't know. Probably George Lever.

Okay, who is George Lever? Ah, George! He's a quite famous producer. He did the first two Sleep Token albums. He did Loathe.

He's worked with quite a few fairly big bands. That would be cool. Although I think if a Sleep Token producer was listening to this podcast, I'd be like, are you okay? Are we all right? Are we going to be on the next album? Selling Sleep Token merch in Primark? Yes, yes, yes.

Rachel has two t-shirts already. I have one t-shirt from Primark, actually. The other one is from the Chinese sweatshop.

Oh, good. You've got to stop shopping now. Yes.

Yes, no. Good question. That was a very good question.

I like that one. All right, and from Hannah. Not our Hannah, a different Hannah.

If you had to spend one night investigating a supposedly haunted southeast London location, which would test your nerves most and why? Oh, spooky locations. Okay, caveat in the question straight away. Do we have to know that they're haunted or can we just assume that they're spooky and haunted? Yeah.

I don't know. It wasn't part of the question. Well, you're the quiz master, so you can tell us.

I think it's fair. We're not going to have a... It's supposedly haunted, so you kind of had to know. Okay.

Also, what about the Queen's House in Greenwich Park? Staying there on your own, knowing it was completely empty and there's been sightings. That would be freaky. That would be scary.

Just for the sheer size of it as well, because you would have no idea if there was a ghost four corridors along. No, no, no, no. Don't know.

Oh, yeah. You've got to turn the lights off and run upstairs to bed before anything gets you. Can you imagine how many fucking stairs? Where would I most like to stay and why? I reckon, so there is, I don't know if it's haunted.

I assume it is because it's Victorian and all of those places are. And it's right next to the coroner's court. The Ladywell Play Tower.

Oh, yeah. Which has been... It is freaky. And I used to go to gymnastics classes in there when I was a very small child.

The ghost of your skeleton cracking away. Exactly. The ghost of that overweight child being unable to do anything.

Rachel do a cartwheel. No. Don't think these arms could hold that weight.

But yes, I think. But yeah, I used to go there when it was a gymnastics hall and it was weird being in there, even in the daylight on a Saturday when there were loads of other people around. But the fact that it has been left to kind of go to rack and ruin.

It used to be the old Ladywell swimming baths or like the public baths. And it is right next door to the coroner's court. I think that there's bound to be something.

Yeah, it's got to be freaky. It would test your nerve for sure. It would.

So yeah, I'd say I'd say that one in the sort of like local, local vicinity. What about you? Yeah, I think Queen's House, I think. Or I was trying to think any other locations.

I guess like anywhere in Southwark where it was like near the jails, near the gallows, that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is very true.

Blackheath's a little bit spooky. I would be really scared to stay in the Shangri-La. Oh, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be really scared. Really, really scared.

And like, I'd be willing to be filmed. I know, I think if the Shangri-La would like us to do some paranormal investigating for them, just let us know. I'd be so scared.

Blackheath, Blackheath as well at night, like when you are there and it's like. I mean, in our youth, we've spent enough time in the dark on the heath. On the heath, yeah, that's true.

To have fully examined it, I think. That's true. Um, yeah.

Yeah, there you go. All right. I was just going to chuck in that maybe the old London dungeon, but now it's a Wetherspoons.

I've been in there late at night many times. I'm not sure what's scarier though. Hey, I will have nothing bad said about that Wetherspoons.

I like that. No, it's a good, it's a good shout. It's a good shout.

Yeah. I mean, trying to find a table in there is a nightmare. There you go.

All right, quiz time. Oh, here we go. Right, we're going to have a theme tune for this.

Yeah, we need to put in a quiz theme tune. Insert here. And then you need a bed, which is like builds tension.

Um, I'm sure we should explain what we're doing here. Really? Shouldn't we? Before you just launch into it? Sure. Are you going to explain it or? Okay, fine.

So we have, Will has been given a load of questions that AI has spat out for us, because that's how modern people do things. But essentially it is, we don't really care about the environment. But it is all of our 100 episodes have been put into AI.

And it's flung out some questions that was going to ask us about our episodes. I haven't seen the questions. Will's the only one that's got them.

So we'll see how well we know our own. I hate this shit. See how far we know our own podcast.

Okay. Is it like buzzers? No, just work together. Working together.

Okay. Okay. Like keep score.

But then it's not fun if no one wins. You win. Both of you win.

The listeners win. He said, he said I win first. So ha ha.

Fine. I take back Henry Cavill. You always would.

All right. Round one. Name that case.

Question one. The escape plan involved a speedboat on the river and a smoke screen. Gone.

Millennium Dome. Yeah. Yes.

Question two. A 26th birthday party on the water. A much larger.

Martianess. Hmm. Question three.

What was in his stomach told investigators where in the world he'd been raised? Adam. Yes. Hey, well done.

Question four. He'd walked out of a block of flats that officers were watching, taking a bus and then headed underground. John Charles Devenezes.

I only just didn't buzz in because I can't pronounce his name. Yes. Question five.

The landlady was dealt with on the kitchen stove. The killer is said to have gone door to door afterwards, offering neighbours pots of dripping. It's the one you did down David Attenborough's house.

Yes. Yes. What's her name? I can't remember her name.

I can't remember her name. Is it Elizabeth something? No, I don't think so. It's the Boiled to Bones one.

Mary Jane Colson? No. The Boiled to Bones one. Yeah.

We know the case. I can't remember her name. What's her name? Julia Martha Thomas.

I wouldn't have got it. You were closest with Jane. That's the story of my life, isn't it? I can't remember anybody's fucking name, but I know what you're talking about.

Question six. Two young men on a warehouse roof in Croydon. Meh.

Let them have it. Yeah. Derek Bentley.

Yep. And I can't remember the other one's name. The one who got away with it.

Doesn't say. Oh, okay. Derek Bentley.

We got it right. And the death of PC Sidney Miles. Sidney Miles was the policeman.

Yeah, fine. They stitched hidden pockets into specially made coats. 40 Elephants.

You met someone who was related. I met a cab driver the other night who is the nephew or like great great whatever it has to be. Right.

Of Shirley Pitts, who was one of the 40 Elephants. There we go. It's amazing what happens when you chat to your friends in Uber.

Question eight. A young barrister took three days to die of antimony poisoning. And even when asked outright on his deathbed, he never named who'd done it.

Charles Bravo. Correct. Yes.

Question nine. A young French au pair, a couple who convinced themselves she was Sophie. Lyonnais.

Lyonnais. Correct. Last of this round.

Question 10. A businessman was lured to a flat by someone he thought was a friend, but put into the boot of his own car, which was then set alight on Blackheath. Gagging deep thing.

We got that. Oh, we're the best. We know what case is.

Nine and a half. Okay, round two. Guess the year.

Oh, fuck off. Okay. New Cross House Fire.

Eighty three. Eighty seven. Nineteen eighty one.

Damalola Taylor. Ninety three. Two thousand.

It was two thousand. What the fuck am I thinking about? I don't know. I don't know when anything happened.

Lee Rigby and Woolwich. Two thousand and five. Two thousand and seven.

Two thousand and thirteen. Oh, wow. I'm so behind on my years.

Sabina Nessa. Oh, twenty. Thirteen.

Twenty nineteen. Twenty twenty one. Fuck.

We're terrible at this round. So bad. Christopher Marlowe in Deptford.

Oh, God. Sixteen seventy. Fifteen ninety two.

Oh, fifteen ninety three. Oh, damn it. So close.

Older than people expect, but still not the oldest. Yeah. You've had.

Stockwell Strangler. Oh, eighty one. Eighty seven.

Close. Greatest year for music. Nineteen eighty six.

Same. You were very, you were there on that one. Yes.

Round three. South London or not. Okay.

The Kray twins. Not. Nope.

Correct. The Richardson gang. Yes.

Yes. Jack the Ripper. No.

Correct. Dr. Crippen. No.

No. Holloway. Dennis Nielsen.

No. Ruth Ellis. No.

No. The last one. Yeah.

Oh, I don't think she was. No. Hampstead, North London.

Yeah. Jill Dando. Yes.

Yes. No. Fulham, North River.

No. No, but that's wrong, it's SW, so it's technically South West. Come at me, Claude.

It is. Fulham, Fulham is SW. It is on my list.

It's one of the ones I got to get because she wanted one of the other ones. Fine. Great train robbery.

Yes. I think some of them are South. Yeah.

I was going to say some of them. It says here, edge case. The robbery itself was in Buckinghamshire, so by location it is not, but several of the gang were South London faces.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Christopher Marlowe. Yes.

Yep. Deptford. Damilola Taylor.

Yes. Peckham. Okay, round four.

Trevor's Trivia. What's Hannah's favourite word for a South London wrongdoer? The one she keeps using every other intro. Nefarious.

Oh, what do I say every other intro? I don't know. I think it's nefarious. It's nefarious.

I say nefarious too much. Non-league football grounds. What does Hannah review and post on her Instagram? I know this one.

It's the ladies lose. You need to resurrect. I will resurrect non-league lose.

Finish the line from episode one. South London is a shithole, but... It's our shithole. Close enough.

It's my shithole. Who or what is Trevor? The gag born from our very first episode. It's all of our lovely listeners.

That's who Trevor is. It's just purely because I can't speak. You can't speak.

It was meant to be... Treasure. Treasure Trove. And I just said Trevor.

Trevor. Trevor Trove. And we have had someone email us recently, who used the phrase that has really... Like, we both absolutely love it, but Hannah is furious.

How did I not think about national Trevor? Yeah. He called us a national Trevor. And I was like, oh, mate.

Like, come on. I can't stop thinking about it. You're not national.

You're only Southeast. Shut your face. Stay in lane.

Next one. Who invited Henry? I don't know. Finish the Justin Timberlake line Hannah trots out when nobody recognises a reference.

This is really going to affect... The tour. The tour. The world tour.

This is really going to affect the tour. What tour? The world tour. I don't know that one.

Which true crime podcast and which city gets the blame for starting cities? Murder Most Irish. Cork. Two of your go-to phrases for when everything's a struggle.

Fuck off. Life be lifin' or lemon lemon difficult. Yep.

What sitcom's title did you mangle to make it a fake spinoff called People Be Scoffin'? People Be Scoffin'. Just for laughs? No. Last one laughing? No.

People Just Do Nothin'. That's not... People Be Scoffin'. People Be Scoffin'.

I don't know. I don't remember that at all. In episode one, what did Rachel manage to throw at herself from a standing position? Knowing Rachel, probably her own fucking head somehow.

She managed to headbutt herself. The microphone. Threw it at myself.

A bottle of water. Any of these things could happen. A buttered bagel.

Yeah. Which, you noted, sounds like a euphemism. Oh god, it's funny.

Yep, yep, yep, yep. Okay. Buttered bagel.

What is the name of the borrowed dog that sometimes guests on the show? Dolly. Yes. Little Dilly Dolly.

Little Dolly. She's not been here in ages. I know.

I mean, I think this one's probably got multiple answers. Okay. Uh, thanks to Richard's apparent black magic for last minute tickets.

What band did Hannah see at Brixton? Oh. Yeah, there's probably loads of answers to this. At Brixton, though, who did I last see? Well, you had to walk.

You were going, we had to go all the way around. Yeah, and we, and it was really good. Who was it? I ain't got a fucking clue.

Royal Blood. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's not what my brain was thinking at all.

I was sitting there going like, who have, I don't know why, because I wasn't at that gig, but I was like, who have we been to see? Not invited. Absolutely not allowed. According to Hannah's smartwatch mini episode, where was the moon? What? Where was the moon? In Uranus? In Capricorn.

Raise your standards. Claude's lost it. Claude's lost his tiny mind.

I have no idea what that's about. No. Oh, I do.

Do you remember when I got that stupid app stuck? Like, I couldn't get the notifications to turn off. So it used to just tell me things all the time. And it'd be like, bing.

And then I'd look and it'd be like, the moon is in Capricorn. And then it would say like, time to raise, it would give me like a mantra of things. It'd be like, it's time to raise your standards.

And I couldn't turn it off. I think the only reason I don't still have that is because I've got a new phone. And I must not have reinstalled the app.

I mean, part of me feels like you should reinstall the app because I want to know what the next one is. I remember that. What seasonal item baffled Hannah as an obvious cash grab, prompting a small rant? What seasonal? I, I cash grab.

I, I cash grab. You cash grab all the time. I rant and rave about crap all the time.

What was I moaning about this time? A seasonal cash grab. It'd be something like you bought something. Something around goth Christmas.

Yeah. It would be something like it had a pumpkin on it. So you bought it.

And I was like, for fuck's sake, mate. Boo baskets! Boo baskets! Yeah, that is definitely something I hate. And actually, I think that was me having a rant about them.

Because I was like, what the fuck is a boo basket? What have I got? No, you, weren't you trying to make one? And then I was like, this is just a fucking. I don't understand. The thing I don't understand.

I love Halloween. But the thing I don't get is what the fuck is a boo basket? And why, why are we having to have them? Like, yeah, I do remember that. Boo baskets.

Fucking hell. Uh, yeah, I think Code definitely has lost its mind. Go on.

What did Rachel and Hannah do for work together before the podcast? We worked in marketing. Yes. Rachel once wrote a 94 page report by accident.

Yes. I think it's actually 96. Something like that.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was a lot of pages. Bitch be chatting.

And that's it. That was the last question. Thank you very much.

I enjoyed that. There weren't as many of the classics as I was hoping it would spit out. I wanted some reference to Stocky Blonde and the Thumb.

Yeah. I've not brought that up in a while. I wanted some reference to the Portuguese pool ghost.

Portuguese pool ghost. Yeah, but there we go. Ah, it's been fun.

It has been fun. Talking of Portuguese pool ghost. Okay.

I think now what we're going to do, if we can make it work, is we're going to play some of the more unhinged. Some unhinged moments. Unhinged moments from the last 100 episodes that haven't always made the cut.

Some have, some have not. So let us know what you think. Sit back, relax and enjoy.

Here's some bloopers. The bloopers. Took my granny up the Shard.

Yay! For her birthday. Kind of, of a similar ilk. Like there's, there's Trevor.

Treasure. Trevor? Who's Trevor? Is there someone that you're? I was going to say, I know we've got Fritz in, in Catford. Has he changed his name to Trevor? Treasure.

Treasure. Um, oh God. Tell the people what it's called.

Rachel no more snake trousers. So yeah, I bought a pair of snake trousers off of the, the website that shan't be named because of its terrible human rights abuses. But that apparently don't bother me.

Yeah, no, I bought a pair of trousers off of them that has snakes on them. And I thought they were epic. And I explained them to Hannah while we were in the pub.

And she didn't. I immediately started a Pinterest board called Rachel no more snake trousers. We are in our thirties.

Do you know what? Age is but a number. And snake trousers are snake trousers. You did see them though.

They look better on than they did. Yeah. Yeah.

I still keep adding to the board though, don't I? Still just keep adding. Little pin here and there. One day, one day the goth will leave me.

Bye world. Can you imagine? That's actually how I'm telling it. One day.

And I'm announcing my divorce on the podcast. One day the goth will leave me. Because you have to obviously hire wetsuits and boots and whatever while you're there.

All great. And we went to the little place where you get given the wetsuit. And this man, this man took one look at me.

No questions were asked. It was just a look up and down. Handed me an XL wetsuit.

An XL wetsuit. But who do you think you're fucking talking to? How very presumptuous. I mean, it fit.

He would look at me and hand me the carcass of a blue whale. I'd be like, good luck to you with your fellow sea-dwelling mammals. Off I go.

An XL? It was just the fuck do you think you're talking to? Oh my god. That was brilliant. No, but what got me was just the fact that it was like, there were no questions.

There was no like, what dress size are you? Did you want him to flirt with you? No, I just wanted him to be like. I could give you the small look. It would definitely fit.

But just think, you know, you're going to be moving around a lot. Do you know what? That would have been better than just literally a cursory glance XL. Rachel was doing nothing to move forward the body positivity movement.

No, do you know what? Anyway, so I go and get into this XL wetsuit. It's my burden to carry. And I'm really lazy.

Look at me. Fucking hell. Oh dear.

Right. Anyway. Yeah.

So I squeezed into this wetsuit because genuinely it fit like a glove. The man was brilliant at his job. But I was very put out by it.

Because in my head, I'm still 18 and very, very thin. Yeah, you were scattered. I'm not.

I'm not that anymore. Um, and yeah, and then like we'll try to say because I was like, I look like a sausage. Like it genuinely was just like shove every bit into some sort of little crevice.

It was horrible. Um, and then we'll try to be like, no, you look you look lovely. I have eyes.

I love I love that you love me that much that you're willing to lie to me about me looking attractive in a wetsuit. But we are. We have all seen it now.

And it is not a happy look. Okay. Is this not the story of our lives? A hundred percent.

A hundred percent. Now we're both quite verbose people. We are.

But there's there's nothing wrong with verbosity. I get really annoyed when people say that like, oh, what was the point in learning all the words if you don't use them all? Thank you. And also people be scoffing at my 40.

People be scoffing. People be scoffing. That's a spin off from people know nothing.

Yeah. People be scoffing. No, people just do nothing.

What's it called? I've never seen it. I mean, either people just do nothing. Let's definitely talk about it then because we know so much about it.

But it sounds like a spin off. People be scoffing. Yeah.

But people be scoffing at my like, you know, long reports and stuff, right? There are times when like one must tell the entire story and not a cribbed version. I agree. I'm here for it, babe.

That's what TLDRs were made for. Anyway. So as another little treat, a bit more behind the scenes content for you.

Here are some of the absolutely unhinged voice notes that Rachel's sister will send to us. But because she doesn't listen to the podcast as it comes out week by week, we often get a whole host of queries, questions, comments and concerns. From Becky, weeks after.

Weeks after. And we'll have no idea what she's talking about. Zero context whatsoever.

So here you go. I believe we start with eggs. Take it away, Becky.

Florentine is spinach. Benedict is ham. Royale is salmon.

Pathos is Greek Cypriot. It's the return of the listening. And so be prepared for some more voice notes of randomness.

That will make no sense to you because I'm going back to February. But Aylesbury is the one that's gone. Haygate is still up, but it's not lived in.

It is now used mostly as a film filming location. Most notably, it is the location for the block in Attack the Block, which is a great film. But yeah, they use the Haygate.

Just some more information for you. I look forward to parting more wisdom with you as we go. We went to Maxwell's for my 18th.

We went to Planet Hollywood for Tommy's 18th. Duh, because I know this. Because we have pictures of me and you giggling about something, don't know, when we both had pink hair.

And the girl at school who thought I was related to another girl with pink hair because we both had pink hair. I remember having to say to her, you know, pink hair is not hereditary, right? But I didn't mention the fact that my sister, who was no longer at the school, also did have pink hair at the time. But it was my birthday that we went to Maxwell's for.

Not Tommy's. We probably did go another time. But it wasn't his 18th.

Also, the film where they pre-empt crimes is called Looper. Oh dear, my sister, ladies and gentlemen. Um, I think that might be all we've got for this special 100th.

Happy 100th, babe. Happy 100th, my love. Well done us.

Well done us. Big pat on the back and all that. Yeah, so I suppose the last thing I really wanted to say was to the Trevors, who are fantastic and lovely and amazing.

Just a big thank you for sticking it out for 100 episodes. Because we genuinely, like, we joke around about it being, you know, there are some times when we'll both sort of be like, Oh, I can't be arsed, I've got to go do that. It's really, you know, but I genuinely enjoy making the podcast.

Yeah, me too. I really love that there are people who are listening to us each week and enjoying it too. And we wouldn't still be doing it if no one had listened.

So I mean, we might be with that. We are that delusional. Delusional and stubborn, that is very true.

But no, there's loads of people. Just sat down our family and friends. Listen.

You will listen. Listen to this. Put it on fucking silent.

Just let us get the downloads. But no, there are some lovely names that crop up again and again in our little kind of Trevors community. We've obviously got the lovely Lou who gets a shout out every week because of the Facebook group.

But we've got others. There's like. We see.

We see you. We see all of you. You know, there's lots of people out there who are saying lovely things about the podcast.

And we really do appreciate it. We have one last ask of you. And that is to keep telling people about us.

Tell them that there's enough of a back catalogue now that they've got five whole days of uninterrupted South London true crime to listen to. Please do tell some other people about us. Do all the rating and reviewing and all that stuff.

But thank you. Yeah, huge thank you, Trevors. You guys are magnificent and in no way nefarious.

And last thing from me. I just want to say thank you to you, dear. Oh, thank you to you, too.

That's so sweet. Not thank you to Will. We're not thanking Will because he's not engaged in the appropriate sense of the word with the podcast.

Are you going to say goodbye, everyone? No, I was joking. Thank you, Will. Thank you.

Thank you. If you could just as sincere as I can make my voice sound. I start sending invoices yet.

No, we need a few more. We need to get the Patreon sorted. You can fuck right off.

But no, thank you for editing us and making us sound good for the last hundred episodes. Yeah, we do appreciate it. So thank you.

There we go. All right, kids, it's time for the nice bits. So we have the website, which is SinisterSouthPod.co.uk. We've got the email address, which is SinisterSouthPodcast at gmail.com. You can find us over on Facebook, where the group is called Trevor's Unite.

It is, indeed. We've got Instagram and TikTok. Both can be found at SinisterSouthPod, I think.

And then there's han.rach.sinistersouth on Instagram, where we do a bit of behind the scenes. Yeah, content. And there's obviously the Patreon.

Yep. Patreon forward slash Sinister South. And that's it, yeah.

That's your lot. That's all of us. We'll be back to usual scheduled programming from next week, don't worry.

From next Wednesday. It's my go, isn't it? Yes, it is, dear. Oh, I haven't made a case.

I should do that. Well, I know what your afternoon is going to consist of then. Exactly.

Thank you so much, Trevor. We love you very much. Thanks, team.

Big love. Look after yourselves and each other. I love it when she goes Jerry Springer.

See you later. See you later. Love you.

Goodbye.